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      08-30-2010, 11:00 PM   #67
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The current N55 doesn't really 'pull hard' at 1500. The meat of the powerband starts a bit later. And FWIW, lots of midrange torque = faster corner exiting when it comes to driving aggressively.

On top of that, the details of what else will be done to it remain to be seen. One can certainly assume that the HP rating is going to trump the current V-8.
Oh, I agree. Maybe I should have said "harder than most". At any rate, most passengers are amazed and search for something to hold on to in my 335 when I accelerate, shifting at ~3k. It's fun, but extremely lazy, I don't get why that would be preferred in a sports car given the expense it claims.

M3's torque plateaus at 3k(and has more at the wheels than my 335), isn't that mid range?

It will indeed be interesting to see what they do. I wonder if it will end up being as misunderstood by the masses as the brilliant V8.
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      08-30-2010, 11:06 PM   #68
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For sure the value of a current E9X M3 will go up. I wonder if they will charge the gas guzzler tax of $1300 for the new inline 6 version.
no it wont.
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      08-30-2010, 11:07 PM   #69
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+1 I figure most of us here are safe

Safe like Selassie briefcase!!
i wonder how many people here would catch on to that
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      08-30-2010, 11:14 PM   #70
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is the v6 really out of the question? and would it be that bad?
what about the tech from the x6m (innovations in timing and turbo) with 2 cyl. removed.?
honestly i have faith in the M division and cant wait to see what they do next... no matter what direction they go.
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      08-30-2010, 11:21 PM   #71
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Said if before and I'll say it again, nothing will beat a high revving NA POWERED M soundwise. I've had my e92 m3 for a little over a year soon and it still puts a huge ass smile on my face everytime i slightly touch the gas while cruising or if i go WOT. And performance wise im pretty satisfied with the V8 platform and if i wanted to go faster, id SC the e92.

If bmw will start make the m3 with turbo, I'll most likely will go porsche GT3 next. NA POWER ftmfw!
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      08-30-2010, 11:33 PM   #72
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my thoughts are that anyone who wants an M3 should get an E9x now.
Too late to the boat. The best M3 was E46
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      08-30-2010, 11:39 PM   #73
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new ones will come, and it will always be the case that the new ones will be better. Please can you ignore these rumors and actually enjoy your cars while you can!
Right, just like housing price will never go down and vaulted Toyota will never have quality issue. If there's anything that's constant it's never say never or always.
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      08-30-2010, 11:41 PM   #74
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Too late to the boat. The second best M3, to the e30 was the E46
fixed that for ya.
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      08-30-2010, 11:50 PM   #75
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u know u guys talk talk talk all this smack smack smack

the F30 M3 will be better than the E9x in every way. Any argument u can talk about, it can be said the same about the E9x compared to the E46.
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      08-30-2010, 11:54 PM   #76
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fixed that for ya.
I can accept that.
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Wow...
That narrows down the choices for my next car...
So now I am stuck between getting:
- A used e92 M3 with a stroker kit
- A used Porche 997.2 GT3
- The new 5.5 liter twin turbo C63 AMG.
- Cadillac CTS-V
- Audi RS5... I know, I know, I should hate myself if I choose this

Sorry guys, I am an ///M lover and have been for most of my life, however I cannot justify going with the a forced induction I6. Especially the N55, an engine originally developed for the 335. It seems that every new M car recycles the engine from the standard BMW series variant with minor tweaks. It is a leap back and M GMBH seems to reduce emissions rather than increase performance. The S52, S54, S65, and S85 engines will go into the history books as the best engines of all time. However, it saddens me to know that they are the last of their kind.
No more high revving, symphony producing, naturally aspirated engines.
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      08-31-2010, 12:20 AM   #78
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u know u guys talk talk talk all this smack smack smack

the F30 M3 will be better than the E9x in every way. Any argument u can talk about, it can be said the same about the E9x compared to the E46.
I just can't believe that their changing the perfected (franchised?(: NA platform. Why can't bmw be more creative and put more effort and engineering behind the F30 M3 like i.e benz (enginewise)? You rarely see benz dropping turbos in their highend models, why should bmw? FAIL!
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      08-31-2010, 12:24 AM   #79
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I know that BMW confirmed that the next M3 will be using a twin-turbo six cylinder engine. But I distinctly remember that engine being a V6.

Now Scott26 is saying that the F30 M3 will be using a variant of the N55, which is a single-turbo, and most interestingly, straight-6.

http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=424637 (scroll down to the section entitled "N54 Engine Confirmed (per Scott26):" in the first post)

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BMW never said they will use a twin turbo V6 engine. That was a speculative comment that moved around the internet and was false. BMW will use an Inline-6 turbo motor for the next M3. The next set of M models will try and most likely will follow the Efficient Dynamics philosophy. The E9x M3 is the last of its breed.
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      08-31-2010, 12:25 AM   #80
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I have been long predicting the demise of the M division. It would be more like a regular beefed up regular BMW with an M badge on it with 7000 rpm redline all across the board.

It was no rocket science seeing this clown called Segler created the X5 M and X6 M and then followed it with a 4500 lbs M5 with basically the same engine and then followed it with a 135 M...ooops, I mean 1-M that sounds like well, a 135.

Now it is the M3's turn. This guy makes Bangle look like angel, seriously.
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      08-31-2010, 12:31 AM   #81
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gonna scoop an e92 m3 tomorrow i guess...
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      08-31-2010, 12:32 AM   #82
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guess my next ride will be a 911 turbo S
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      08-31-2010, 12:45 AM   #83
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I can't believe all this hate for the way the turbo six sounds, the N54 sounded pretty bland but the N55 is a completely different animal. Have you guys even driven one?

Go to the dealer and test drive a 135i with the windows down flat out. The E92 M3 is one of my favorite sounding cars being made at the moment but my 135i makes me giggle like a child every day (although it's a totally different type of sound).

I don't know which part of upshifting is my favorite, the wastegate venting or the loud pop from the exhaust.
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      08-31-2010, 12:54 AM   #84
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BMW better not start whoring out their engines like AMG does.
Too late......

///M division representatives always agreed on two things:

1) Will you ever used FI in your cars? "NIEN!"

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2) "You can't make 1 engine fit all; it prevents one from constructing a well balanced car."

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      08-31-2010, 01:04 AM   #85
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what is even WORSE is that the next m3 will likely just have a DCT tranny, no 6MT
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      08-31-2010, 01:05 AM   #86
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I certainly agree that a derivative engine for the car is breaking with an admirable tradition but ultimately that too will not "ruin" the engine. It will just make it a bit less special.
No SWAMP, A LOT LESS SPECIAL. Its what BMW use to rag on Merc for.......talk about eating your words

Even merc now designs engines specifically for AMG from ground up (so to speak).

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* All the ///M owners here spent a lot of money on their cars. Be it a lease or finance, you have emotionally bonded with your car and obviously its in the nature of the human brain and psychology what you are doing. Refusing and not admitting the harsh reality You can love your "Naturally Aspirated" engine and hate the turbo, but we will come back to this forum in 2014 and you will be picking up dust behind the 480 hp 420 torque M3 with its turbo engine - sorry, that's how it is. Not to mention, by the time the second M3 production starts, the F3X will probably have its interior, including the iDrive completely redesigned as it was the case for the current M3 in 2009.

These are cars you are talking about. They are not houses or property. They will get old, they will be outdated, new ones will come, and it will always be the case that the new ones will be better. Please can you ignore these rumors and actually enjoy your cars while you can!
You miss the point, ///M cars and BMWs in general have never been about the numbers. Faster, is not always better.

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You miss the point, ///M cars and BMWs in general have never been about the numbers. Faster, is not always better.

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Faster is not always better. I really don't care about "faster"--if I did I'd go buy a Mustang and mod the hell out of it; or better yet a 'Vette and do the same. There, faster, done.

It's about balance, handling, "feel", agility, nimbleness, and fun for me. I'm sure it will be "better" from a numbers standpoint (faster, better track times, etc.) but will it be more fun? (Well, if stoplight drag racing or pure power are your thing, yes.) If you're into other things in your driving experience, then no, it will probably not be more fun (especially if they don't address the obesity problem).
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