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      08-28-2010, 11:36 PM   #45
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      08-29-2010, 01:18 PM   #46
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I know what you're saying, BMW is reminding me when Merc put AMG on just about every car they produced and IMO it didn't even come close to representing what AMG really was in the 80s, for instance the AMG Hammer.

Now, I think BMW made a mistake by making the "M" X-series - personally these cars are not Ms at all. But this little 1-series M is really starting to get my imagination... especially after the latest undressing tease. You have to admit, it's looking quite attractive... those extended wheel wells... yum. Also, and although a turbo (eek), this car reminds me much of my e46 M3, which IMO was BMWs best M ever. The e46 M3 was a true sweet spot - best car I've ever owned and amazing fun. My e90 M3 is amazing, but a bit fat... So we'll see... next year I am thinking of moving away from BMW for a P-Car, but this little 1-Series M... has got me thinking. I miss having "fun"... tossing a fast little pocket rocket around...
Those are some good points, and I can see your perspective on this. The car actually looks interesting and not typical 1 series (IMO) ugly. If we grant those points I think there's a really good case to stay away: the high pressure fuel pump (HPFP) and carbon build-up from direct injection.

The carbon issue is present in all direct injection engines (easy to search) and the extent of that issue remains to be seen over time. (I think I recall Bubbles saying his 335 got slower, weaker, poorer MPG, and had detonation issues--I could be wrong.) But in any case it's not an issue I'd want to deal with.

The HPFP is a major fail. BMW had to extend the warranty to 100K miles on the N54 due to the ongoing failures. And we know how they hate to admit anything, so it's a big issue. The damn thing just fails, leaving your stranded who-knows-where or it fails when you need it (like in traffic). When it doesn't do that it's trip after trip to the dealer for replacements. Lots of folks have gone through a series of these pumps--check over at E90 post. And given BMW has acknowdged the issue it's not a problem that appears bigger than it is due to selection bias on forums.

Yet again it doesn't look like (I'll admit we've gotten a glimpse only) they've gone with Brembos or something more akin to a Porsche-level braking system. Come on, if Ford and Mitsubishi can offer these.....

Now, a smaller, lighter, more nimble car with the S65 in it? Sign me up now. Turbo? No high RPM? HPFP? No way. When it's time to consider selling the M3 I'll be looking at Porshe (never going to sell the Z4M).
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      08-29-2010, 02:10 PM   #47
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Turbo? No high RPM? HPFP? No way.
The only reason BMW is going this direction is because they have no choice. A lot of new emissions laws are approaching (in Europe and the US) which are forcing BMW to be more efficient. I have an 2011 E92 M3 on order because it will be the last high revving NA BMW makes (at least in the foreseeable future). If you want to stick with buying new M cars, you are going to have to get used to more efficient turbo cars. That is the future of BMW. I think we should all be looking at the 1M Coupe very closely because this is the first car (not suv) under M Divisions new vision of more efficient M cars. If you don't like this car (aside from aesthetics), you may not like the future of BMW.
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      08-29-2010, 02:30 PM   #48
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The only reason BMW is going this direction is because they have no choice. A lot of new emissions laws are approaching (in Europe and the US) which are forcing BMW to be more efficient. I have an 2011 E92 M3 on order because it will be the last high revving NA BMW makes (at least in the foreseeable future). If you want to stick with buying new M cars, you are going to have to get used to more efficient turbo cars. That is the future of BMW. I think we should all be looking at the 1M Coupe very closely because this is the first car (not suv) under M Divisions new vision of more efficient M cars. If you don't like this car (aside from aesthetics), you may not like the future of BMW.
+1 extremely well said.

the same reason we have the 335i in the first place. these changes are inevitable, and the BMW crowd is very prone to changing.
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      08-29-2010, 02:33 PM   #49
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blame the //m trucks on AMG, the beholder of "the most performance models," it was a simple response on bmw's part.
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The only reason BMW is going this direction is because they have no choice. A lot of new emissions laws are approaching (in Europe and the US) which are forcing BMW to be more efficient. I have an 2011 E92 M3 on order because it will be the last high revving NA BMW makes (at least in the foreseeable future). If you want to stick with buying new M cars, you are going to have to get used to more efficient turbo cars. That is the future of BMW. I think we should all be looking at the 1M Coupe very closely because this is the first car (not suv) under M Divisions new vision of more efficient M cars. If you don't like this car (aside from aesthetics), you may not like the future of BMW.
BMW's future is bright. The future for BMW enthusiasts is dimming.
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      08-29-2010, 04:50 PM   #51
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BMW's future is bright. The future for BMW enthusiasts is dimming.
People said the same thing when seat belts and catalytic converters were first mandated on cars.

BMW will find a way to make sure its hardcore enthusiasts have something to look forward to.
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      08-29-2010, 04:56 PM   #52
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i wouldn't trade it, but id love to pick up a z4 m coupe !
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The only reason BMW is going this direction is because they have no choice. A lot of new emissions laws are approaching (in Europe and the US) which are forcing BMW to be more efficient. I have an 2011 E92 M3 on order because it will be the last high revving NA BMW makes (at least in the foreseeable future). If you want to stick with buying new M cars, you are going to have to get used to more efficient turbo cars. That is the future of BMW. I think we should all be looking at the 1M Coupe very closely because this is the first car (not suv) under M Divisions new vision of more efficient M cars. If you don't like this car (aside from aesthetics), you may not like the future of BMW.
It'll for sure be interesting. But if this is the case, I will never get myself a new generation M bmw. I've always been a NA enthusiast. Love the e92 m3, but for all the above M3s to come, over and out bmw!

NEXT CAR, GT3!
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      08-29-2010, 07:19 PM   #54
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Fixed it for you . And yes, they deserve it for abandoning the long M tradition of NA engines. And for the trucks too .

And to answer the thread's question, I could bet cash money no M3 owner would switch. Take care gang.
The M Division deserves credit for releasing the 1M. It is a straight six, it is lighter, it has fewer electronic nannies and is offered in 6MT guise only. Just about as purist as the M division can be in 2011, given the realities of the CAFE standards and the fact that BMW doesn't possess an efficient high performance NA Boxer six.

Porsche stays afloat because of the Cayenne. Porsche also happens to build the GT3. Does that diminish the GT3?...or does it fill the R&D coffers at Porsche and provide the needed capital to build the GT3?
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      08-29-2010, 09:45 PM   #55
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I'm not dead-set against turbos.

I just want the rest of the hardware to work and for the car to be exciting--and right now there are some issues to overcome. Look at the N54, no fun after 5.5K revs; heat soak, and death by HPFP. Look at Lazlo's post. That's not what any of us want. When they prove they've got those things conquered I'm more that open to reconsidering. But based on what I know now--which isn't much mind you--I need no reason to jump ship. Change isn't bad if done well...but I'm not a believer. Yet.
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      08-29-2010, 09:49 PM   #56
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there is no getting the fat out of the fat cat...nope would never consider it, but i would definitely like to drive one
It sucks... Because people get in the car and look at it and are like what the hell??... The car is brand new... The BMW Dealer said they don't want to fix it because when they do it will just do it again..

I have LOST sooooo much respect for BMW because of this car...
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Thanks! I forgot that fourth one didn't I? Couldn't agree more on the NA decision.



Good grief. Wow. "Hey, good news, we survived the crash". "Oh, wait, now we're on fire". I wouldn't be happy about the recall, but better than the alternative.

It gets hot a lot of places. AZ. SoCal. Central Valley in CA. Oz. So pretty bad testing and design on both that and the firestarter foam I'd say.
I agree.. Great engineering...
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      08-29-2010, 10:05 PM   #58
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Hell to the no!

Nothing against the 1 series just never could warm up to it's looks etc...Just not my cup of tea M or not.
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I'm probably going to get some heat on this, but I really like the 1 series. I had a chance to drive a 135i convertible and my only complaint was the motor felt dead once you pass 5500 RPM, I'm looking forward to seeing/driving this car
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Porsche stays afloat because of the Cayenne. Porsche also happens to build the GT3. Does that diminish the GT3?...or does it fill the R&D coffers at Porsche and provide the needed capital to build the GT3?
Porsche lives on Polo sales. Ha!
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I'm probably going to get some heat on this, but I really like the 1 series. I had a chance to drive a 135i convertible and my only complaint was the motor felt dead once you pass 5500 RPM, I'm looking forward to seeing/driving this car
Not sure why people on this board hate the 1 series. Most complain about the looks, but it looks more like the E46 than the E92 does and people say the E46 is the 3's best design. Regardless, it's not surprising that the M3 is a lot better than the 1 series. It does cost 20k more. I have an E90 335i and had a 135i (which I sold because I'm upgrading to the E92 M3). The 135i was so much more fun to drive than the E90. Obviously, the M3 is a lot better than both. I really can't wait to get back into a high revving N/A car.
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So confirmed, it will be an N54...

http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=424637
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I had a tuned N54 and now a ZCP M3. Everyone loves the tune-ability of the N54 motor which is proven, but "heat" and lack of cooling was a huge issue with the old N54. Driving around the Ring in 60 degrees is great, try that in 90F+/90%+ humidity on a track and watch the timing get pulled. I hope BMW can remedy the cooling problems, but I have to wait to see it before I believe it.

COOLING!!


If the M division can keep the motor cool, then I'd most certainly take a serious look at the 135iM
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If the M division can keep the motor cool, then I'd most certainly take a serious look at the 135iM
Cooling not the only issue - HPFP can be one too.
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Cooling not the only issue - HPFP can be one too.


Of course.....actually 4 issues during my ownership. I assume everyone knows these pumps are disposable
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