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      08-08-2010, 08:42 PM   #45
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i'm curious, if he had a gun could he had fired a 'warning shot' into the air to prove he wasn't fucking around or is that illegal?
No...

The use of deadly force varies by state, but none that I know of allow a "warning shot"

in Ohio where I live...the only legal reason for the use of deadly force is to prevent serious bodily harm or death...and unless you are in your home...you have a duty to retreat...

Further, you may be subject to criminal (or more commonly) civil liabilty...

Since the badguys had no weapons and he easily could have left...deadly force would not have been justified by the evidence in this video...
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      08-08-2010, 08:44 PM   #46
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oh dear. what if he fired blank rounds?
what is the point of blank rounds...to scare the badguy when he points a real loaded gun your way??
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No...

The use of deadly force varies by state, but none that I know of allow a "warning shot"

in Ohio where I live...the only legal reason for the use of deadly force is to prevent serious bodily harm or death...and unless you are in your home...you have a duty to retreat...

Further, you may be subject to criminal (or more commonly) civil liabilty...

Since the badguys had no weapons and he easily could have left...deadly force would not have been justified by the evidence in this video...
what are you talking about? i never asked if he could fire at the guys, i asked if he could fire a shot into the air to say 'don't fuck with me' and make them back off
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what are you talking about? i never asked if he could fire at the guys, i asked if he could fire a shot into the air to say 'don't fuck with me' and make them back off
What we are trying to say is that in the video that was posted, pulling out a firearm was BY NO MEANS justified. That guy was NOT in serious danger of bodily harm or death as he could easily driven past those guys in his car.

None of the drunks in the video appeared to be armed.

The guy with the bat stopped his car and deliberately picked a fight with them.

Drawing a firearm and firing off a warning shot against an unarmed group of guys who you picked a fight with ultimately is a criminal act.

Hope this helps.
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Great comment from the video....



haha 7vs1 homeboy got some homeruns
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How the hell did they keep getting back up?!
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I'd prefer with a muffler...more James Bond style...
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      08-09-2010, 01:58 AM   #52
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How the hell did they keep getting back up?!
When you're under the influence of some sort, you have 'super human strength' because you're not responding/feeling to pain.

I asked myself that question a couple of times because the sound of the bat cracking was just too brutal.
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How the hell did they keep getting back up?!
I was thinking the same thing.

They kept coming back for more.

That's when the guy with the bat knew he was in too deep.
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he wasn't swinging hard enough.. they didn't go down to the ground once...

I'm getting a permit soon to carry 2 retractable batons (or anything else I want in the car)


I have a bit of informal training with kali sticks.. not the same thing as eskrima sticks, but it'll do
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With a gun this is how it's done...erase that scum from the gene pool.

Such an epic scene.

haha, exactly what I was thinking
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he wasn't swinging hard enough.. they didn't go down to the ground once...

I'm getting a permit soon to carry 2 retractable batons (or anything else I want in the car)


I have a bit of informal training with kali sticks.. not the same thing as eskrima sticks, but it'll do
I keep my torque wrench in my car, just in case I get a flat
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I keep my torque wrench in my car, just in case I get a flat
I like that idea..
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As far as the second sentence goes, in Indiana, if you have a LTCH, you can carry the gun loaded on your person, in the glove box, under the seat, etc. Indiana allows for both CC (concealed carry) and OC (open carry, which can attract a whole hell of a lot of attention).

As far as the drunk assholes with guns go, anyone with common sense (which those guys in the video clearly lack), would NEVER carry on a night where they would be drinking. Many bars don't allow firearms to be carried inside them and if bar employees notice you're carrying, they will ask you to leave (and if you didn't abide, you'd be arrested for trespassing).
I actually live in Indiana but in this case, I was referring to Illinois (bigger audience). But yes, you are right about the ability to carry loaded.

I didn't try to mean that they were carrying in the bar. Who's to say they didn't come out of a bar, go to their cars then go wander. Just making the point that you'd never know and it's certainly possible.
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haha, exactly what I was thinking
Tom Cruise played one epic Mofo in that movie. There's also an epic shootout at the techno club later where he needs to eliminate that asian witness. Only dissapointment in the movie is the ending. No way a professional killer would let that happen.
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It sucks that he lost the bat, it would have been great to see him pounding those dumb drunk morons in the face with that bat over and over again. People like that deserve to be run over, shot, beaten, and whatever else you want to put in here.

I would have 100% run them over, shot at them, tazed them, violently hurt and beat them if I was in real danger for my life.

But the smart thing to do is just drive away and not deal with such vermin.
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It sucks that he lost the bat, it would have been great to see him pounding those dumb drunk morons in the face with that bat over and over again. People like that deserve to be run over, shot, beaten, and whatever else you want to put in here.

I would have 100% run them over, shot at them, tazed them, violently hurt and beat them if I was in real danger for my life.

But the smart thing to do is just drive away and not deal with such vermin.
So you're saying you're not smart?
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The problem is the driver should be charged with assault. Not that what the drunks did was right but the driver was away from the situation and came back with a bat.
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Imagine if that stud had some back with a katana or some type of sword instead of a bat? It would have been a scene from Kill Bill.
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Imagine if that stud had some back with a katana or some type of sword instead of a bat? It would have been a scene from Kill Bill.
That would have been epic. Maybe I should put my dad's katana in my trunk?

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The problem is the driver should be charged with assault. Not that what the drunks did was right but the driver was away from the situation and came back with a bat.
If I actually say what I want I am just going to get modded...so I'll just say this:

Nope, you're wrong.
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What would have happened to the bat guy legally if he were to have run 1 or 2 of them over while escaping (during when they were ganging up on his car).
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The guy had every means of escape. All he had to do was drive off. Instead he chose to stop his car, got out, and escalated the situation. If he had theoretically shot someone the DA would probably have sent it to a grand jury. Definitely stopped being self defense the minute he got out of his car.

Also, why would you get out of your car and go at people with a bat? Just run the assholes over.
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