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      08-05-2010, 10:09 AM   #45
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Had noticed the power seats but did not catch the leather... Thanks for pointing that out. My CA simply faxed over and I've been too busy at work to really dig through it. I'll call him tomorrow and follow up.
Please let us know if you get any word about trim being seperate from the ZP2. Thanks.
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      08-05-2010, 10:32 AM   #46
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will do. been stuck on conference calls all morning so will be later today...
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Here's the latest for my order. Just saw my order sheet- Being charged $1000 for NON-extended Black Novillo Leather. Leather seats are not listed as NC in ZP2 package and are not even listed at all in the package details. Carbon Leather Trim IS listed in the ZCP2 and NC, not $500 like yesterday. No power seats listed in ZP2 package. So with the new pricing (as of today) on my order- $1000 for leather seats, $400 for Ipod/USB which I don't want but have to order, and $500 increase in ZP2 package. $1900 for what? Power seats? I hope this is all wrong and the ZCP2 package will still include leather seats.
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      08-05-2010, 07:07 PM   #48
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Here's the latest for my order. Just saw my order sheet- Being charged $1000 for NON-extended Black Novillo Leather. Leather seats are not listed as NC in ZP2 package and are not even listed at all in the package details. Carbon Leather Trim IS listed in the ZCP2 and NC, not $500 like yesterday. No power seats listed in ZP2 package. So with the new pricing (as of today) on my order- $1000 for leather seats, $400 for Ipod/USB which I don't want but have to order, and $500 increase in ZP2 package. $1900 for what? Power seats? I hope this is all wrong and the ZCP2 package will still include leather seats.
Agreed! Sent my CA an email asking about the leather seats but no response yet and I've been too busy to call. I ordered the extended leather which shows on my new order sheet at $2,000 where as in the old world it was $1,100 if you were ordering the Premium Pkg. He has been very good at responding in the past so either he was off today or he is researching the issue. Hope to know more tomorrow...
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Here's the latest for my order. Just saw my order sheet- Being charged $1000 for NON-extended Black Novillo Leather. Leather seats are not listed as NC in ZP2 package and are not even listed at all in the package details. Carbon Leather Trim IS listed in the ZCP2 and NC, not $500 like yesterday. No power seats listed in ZP2 package. So with the new pricing (as of today) on my order- $1000 for leather seats, $400 for Ipod/USB which I don't want but have to order, and $500 increase in ZP2 package. $1900 for what? Power seats? I hope this is all wrong and the ZCP2 package will still include leather seats.
Thanks for the info. Let's hope to see more buyer's order sheets in the coming days.
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Again I think all this crap is still wrong and they are working on the system. In BMWs literature it states something of this nature. "Premium package 2 will have the same options as the original premium package except add power seats." Thats not the exact wording but its something to that extent. So that means leather is included with premium package 2.
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I was quoted without extra for leather if you buy ZP2. Check screenshot. But do notice that Carbon Trim is not included and is $500 extra.

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      08-05-2010, 10:26 PM   #52
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I was quoted without extra for leather if you buy ZP2. Check screenshot. But do notice that Carbon Trim is not included and is $500 extra.

I'd be interested in seeing someone else's sheet for an E92 build. I wouldn't think the cost of leather would be different between the E90 and E92 builds with the Premium 2 package, but who knows.
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^^The cost of leather has been the same for both from my understanding.
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The price sheet for the E93 I just ordered showed carbon leather trim included in ZP2, and non-extended Novillo interior no extra charge.
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The price sheet for the E93 I just ordered showed carbon leather trim included in ZP2, and non-extended Novillo interior no extra charge.
Would you be able to post a screenshot please? I want to show my dealer. I hope its not just a E93 thing.
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      08-06-2010, 03:19 AM   #56
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I just got off phone with CA. I was told 19in wheels went by up 50 bucks I was also told she has her updated list and options are convenient pkg, premium #2 but also told technology pkg and premium pkg can still be ordered they were just locked out from ordering it while changes were being made.I hope she is right.
She's absolutely wrong.

From the September Production Change bulletin:

"An all-new Convenience Package (ZCV) is available that replaces the Technology Package."


Instead of hoping and praying, read the bulletin and hire a more competent CA.
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I was quoted without extra for leather if you buy ZP2. Check screenshot. But do notice that Carbon Trim is not included and is $500 extra.

That ZP2 must be an error... the features included in that package according to that sheet are worth much less than $2500 individually. Not only it does not include the leather and the power seats in the listing, it is $1000 more expensive than the old ZPP with leather and the Carbon trim. The new Convenience package price makes sense, though... BMW removed the EDC from it and added MDM standard (~ $1500 individually priced options), but they added the iPod, the PDC and the alarm (total cost $1180 individually priced) and reduced the price by $350 ($3250 to $2900).

That tells me that this ordering system is messed up right now.

Guys, nobody should be ordering any September production M3 until this is ordering system is fixed IMO.

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That ZP2 must be an error... the features included in that package according to that sheet are worth much less than $2500 individually. Not only it does not include the leather and the power seats in the listing, it is $1000 more expensive than the old ZPP with leather and the Carbon trim.

Guys, nobody should be ordering any September production M3 until this is ordering system is fixed IMO.
ZP2 shows up as $1,350 for me. No extra charge for carbon leather trim.
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ZP2 shows up as $1,350 for me. No extra charge for carbon leather trim.
Your E93 has the leather and power seats standard, so $1350 makes sense for Assist, compass, folding mirrors, Homelink and trim. Still, it should not be called ZP2 as it is in fact the same old ZPP. ZP2 applies only to the Coupe and Sedan as the power seats on those models were removed as standard equipment and not in the E93...
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I placed my order so I could lock in my ED date in October. I'm sure my CA will adjust the pricing once the "correct" version is finally released. Let's hope we find out soon.
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I placed my order so I could lock in my ED date in October. I'm sure my CA will adjust the pricing once the "correct" version is finally released. Let's hope we find out soon.
I'm banking on this also. Price better be adjusted
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I'm banking on this also. Price better be adjusted
If past experience is the rule, dealers will not adjust the price down due to ordering system issues or errors. Dealers sold the MY2005 E46 M3 $4000 Competition Package with the $1200 19" forged wheel option together as the ordering system allowed that combo. The problem was that either somebody at the dealer/factory was keeping the ZCP wheels for themselves or the expected price discount for the combined two options was not applied for the missing 19" ZCP wheels.

Eventually this ordering system issue was fixed (no forged 19" could be ordered with the ZCP, as it is right now with the E9x M3), but so far I know of nobody that got any discount, order price adjustment or even the missing E46 M3 ZCP wheels from any dealer or BMW.

Regardless, why would a dealer adjust the price down? If their own ordering system is telling them that an option is $5000 today, and you ordered at an agreed price the same day and tomorrow the same exact option is $3000, do you really expect them to even tell you about it?
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Regardless, why would a dealer adjust the price down? If their own ordering system is telling them that an option is $5000 today, and you ordered at an agreed price the same day and tomorrow the same exact option is $3000, do you really expect them to even tell you about it?
Of course because system is wrong. If leather is supposed to be included in the ZP2 package why the hell would I pay $1000 extra for it? Because I wanted to order a car and did so on the "wrong day"? If BMW can't get the options and pricing correct in their own system they shouldn't allow dealers to take orders then.
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Regardless, why would a dealer adjust the price down? If their own ordering system is telling them that an option is $5000 today, and you ordered at an agreed price the same day and tomorrow the same exact option is $3000, do you really expect them to even tell you about it?
Well, I ordered a car not knowing September prices but my CA and I agreed on a certain amount over invoice no matter what the prices end up being. That way I'm not set on a certain figure.. just knowing I'll be getting invoice plus a little more. That's the way to do it IMO.
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Of course because system is wrong. If leather is supposed to be included in the ZP2 package why the hell would I pay $1000 extra for it? Because I wanted to order a car and did so on the "wrong day"? If BMW can't get the options and pricing correct in their own system they shouldn't allow dealers to take orders then.
Yes, so far everything indicates that your order will be done on the "wrong" day. That's the reason that you should not expect that dealer to fix it for you, just wait for the system to be fixed by BMW.

Again, this is nothing new. Ordering now when it is more than evident that something is not quite right with the ordering system is a risk. It is up to you to either wait until is fixed or just hope that the dealer will do the "right" thing. Like they do when they have trunk money from BMW and they tell customers about it...
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Well, I ordered a car not knowing September prices but my CA and I agreed on a certain amount over invoice no matter what the prices end up being. That way I'm not set on a certain figure.. just knowing I'll be getting invoice plus a little more. That's the way to do it IMO.
Your invoice will be inflated if the ordering system is set to charge extra for options that are already part of packages. So unless these issues are resolved you will not know what is the real invoice. Thus for example $500 over invoice doesn't tell you anything about the $1500 in the invoice that should not be there in the first place.

I think that we are not getting the idea here... if you are willing to pay whatever then you should not have any issue with this current ordering system. If you are a customer -like me- that likes to pay the absolute minimum necessary then you should wait until this is sorted out.
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