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      01-11-2007, 10:59 PM   #111
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man, this party died...
Maybe ganeil was included in (yet another) Bush's new brilliant plan to put additional 20k+ souls in harms way...

God help them all...
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man, this party died...
Maybe ganeil was included in (yet another) Bush's new brilliant plan to put additional 20k+ souls in harms way...

God help them all...
What was left to respond to? Your bizarre notion that the federal government controls your property taxes or that the bond market is not a reliable barometer of inflation?

Sorry, but those are way too out there to deal with.
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i think that was the worst thing America could have ever done, there will be retaliations from terrorists beyond belief IMHO
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i think that was the worst thing America could have ever done, there will be retaliations from terrorists beyond belief IMHO
As opposed to the lack of terrorist attacks prior to operations in Iraq?

Where were you on Sept. 11, 2001? Was that retaliation for invading Iraq?

Nothing we can do, short of complete capitulation and the imposition of sharia throughout the west, will make us immune to terror attacks. We have to decide if our way of life is worth fighting for and, if it is, fight for it.
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As opposed to the lack of terrorist attacks prior to operations in Iraq?

Where were you on Sept. 11, 2001? Was that retaliation for invading Iraq?

Nothing we can do, short of complete capitulation and the imposition of sharia throughout the west, will make us immune to terror attacks. We have to decide if our way of life is worth fighting for and, if it is, fight for it.
As clearly stated by them, it was the retaliation for the world policing, and messing with the Arab & Muslim world. Then, your boss translated it into: "Because they are jealous of our way of living..." They said, get out of our territories, we occupied more...
As I stated before, many countries have (officially & unofficially) better standards of living that we do, but we're the only ones that ignore the rest of the world and have military presence in probably close to a 100 countries in the world.
Not cool, and definitely not just at all...
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As clearly stated by them, it was the retaliation for the world policing, and messing with the Arab & Muslim world. Then, your boss translated it into: "Because they are jealous of our way of living..." They said, get out of our territories, we occupied more...
As I stated before, many countries have (officially & unofficially) better standards of living that we do, but we're the only ones that ignore the rest of the world and have military presence in probably close to a 100 countries in the world.
Not cool, and definitely not just at all...

Of course our "messing" with the Arab/Muslim world consisted of removing one Arab army (Iraq) from another Arab nation (Kuwait) and providing protection to another (Saudi Arabia).
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Of course our "messing" with the Arab/Muslim world consisted of removing one Arab army (Iraq) from another Arab nation (Kuwait) and providing protection to another (Saudi Arabia).
Ah, I forgot, we're the only ones in the world providing protection to a 100 of countries...blah blah... What protection are we providing to Germany, UK, Japan, and I could go on...
What protection are we providing to Saudis???
We removed one army from Kuwait, then we occupied both -- Kuwait and Iraq....
In 2006, 35,000 Iraqi civilians died because of our protection...
Koreans (South & North) would not mind uniting again, but they can't because of our "protection" to the South...therefore, daily protests in Seoul...
If w cannot get in to "protect" the nation -- we make them fight, then we occupy them and do our "protection" thing...

I would understand it if every world's power like UK, Russia, France, Germany, China...had their "protection bases" all over the world, but this way...no way, I don't buy it...
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Ah, I forgot, we're the only ones in the world providing protection to a 100 of countries...blah blah... What protection are we providing to Germany, UK, Japan, and I could go on...
What protection are we providing to Saudis???
We removed one army from Kuwait, then we occupied both -- Kuwait and Iraq....
In 2006, 35,000 Iraqi civilians died because of our protection...
Koreans (South & North) would not mind uniting again, but they can't because of our "protection" to the South...therefore, daily protests in Seoul...
If w cannot get in to "protect" the nation -- we make them fight, then we occupy them and do our "protection" thing...

I would understand it if every world's power like UK, Russia, France, Germany, China...had their "protection bases" all over the world, but this way...no way, I don't buy it...

Are you saying that the US Forces in Germany, Japan, UK, ROK, etc..., are there without the consent of those governments?
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      01-16-2007, 02:10 PM   #121
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Are you saying that the US Forces in Germany, Japan, UK, ROK, etc..., are there without the consent of those governments?
Ahm...I don't see that i said that anywhere above...
However, I can bet any $$$ that if we were to poll the citizens in any of those countries (that "we're protecting"), the vast majirity would vote for us to get the hell out of there...
Some express it civil way, some don't..
On the other hand, some of you use diplomacy and talk to solve issues, some (cowboys) use only force...
Simple as that...the overall Bush experience even more emphasized the COwboy culture of our country that majority or foreigners thought about us... If you think other nations fear us now...I'd correct you and say much less than before, but all respect we ever had from anyone out there is gone...

Even out alies ountries (and I am not saying Mr. Blair, I am saying the citizens) would laugh in our face if anything bad (economical, or of that nature) would happen to this country...
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Even out alies ountries (and I am not saying Mr. Blair, I am saying the citizens) would laugh in our face if anything bad (economical, or of that nature) would happen to this country...

I would not use "if" now, but more "when" anything...

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Ahm...I don't see that i said that anywhere above...
However, I can bet any $$$ that if we were to poll the citizens in any of those countries (that "we're protecting"), the vast majirity would vote for us to get the hell out of there...
Some express it civil way, some don't..
On the other hand, some of you use diplomacy and talk to solve issues, some (cowboys) use only force...
Simple as that...the overall Bush experience even more emphasized the COwboy culture of our country that majority or foreigners thought about us... If you think other nations fear us now...I'd correct you and say much less than before, but all respect we ever had from anyone out there is gone...

Even out alies ountries (and I am not saying Mr. Blair, I am saying the citizens) would laugh in our face if anything bad (economical, or of that nature) would happen to this country...

The nations listed have representative governments. If the people of those nations wanted our forces out, they would be gone. Regardless of what the people might tell pollsters, it is their votes which matter.

Some refuse to acknowledge that diplomacy often fails and force is necessary. We learned that lesson from Neville Chamberlain in 1938.. I guess others (you?) are just a bit slower to catch on.

Again, I am really not at all interested in what other countries think of us, I am only concerned with their actions.
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Again, I am really not at all interested in what other countries think of us, I am only concerned with their actions.

that, pretty much sum it up...
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Again, I am really not at all interested in what other countries think of us, I am only concerned with their actions.
Before action comes thought.
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If only that were always true.
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that, pretty much sum it up...
Another bit of blinding intellect from our neighbor to the north.
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The nations listed have representative governments. If the people of those nations wanted our forces out, they would be gone. Regardless of what the people might tell pollsters, it is their votes which matter.

Some refuse to acknowledge that diplomacy often fails and force is necessary. We learned that lesson from Neville Chamberlain in 1938.. I guess others (you?) are just a bit slower to catch on.

Again, I am really not at all interested in what other countries think of us, I am only concerned with their actions.
Well, you're right -- the USA voted for this enmpty-head guy 2 years ago, but I am not sure they would do the same now. What do you think about it??? So, people do vote, but not every day... You have the leaders to sit there for some period, and people bitch at them.
Next, I assume you did not vote for Bush just for this war, but other things, too??? Same with other leaders -- they may support many other (good) things, but oppose kicking US asses out of their country (read $$$) therefore, what you said about the "representation" of my wishes and thoughts through W...has nothing to do with it. Actually, if Kerry were in the office now, he would not represent 100% of my wishes either, therefore...

But, hey, I guess for you W is the God!
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Another bit of blinding intellect from our neighbor to the north.
to quote the men in black, ganeil, you are the best of the best of the best, only the best of the best...(with the stupid salute sign up), sir!!

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Well, you're right -- the USA voted for this enmpty-head guy 2 years ago, but I am not sure they would do the same now. What do you think about it??? So, people do vote, but not every day... You have the leaders to sit there for some period, and people bitch at them.
Next, I assume you did not vote for Bush just for this war, but other things, too??? Same with other leaders -- they may support many other (good) things, but oppose kicking US asses out of their country (read $$$) therefore, what you said about the "representation" of my wishes and thoughts through W...has nothing to do with it. Actually, if Kerry were in the office now, he would not represent 100% of my wishes either, therefore...

But, hey, I guess for you W is the God!
Actually it has everything to do with it. Unless you think policy decisions should be made based on a daily referendum of all concerned people. We have troops stationed abroad because the elected representatives of the people of those nations want the troops to be there.

I am sorry you do not like representative government but it is the best around.
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to quote the men in black, ganeil, you are the best of the best of the best, only the best of the best...(with the stupid salute sign up), sir!!

keep it up cowboy
Is it safe to assume that while pulling the stunt on your bike, pictured in your signature, you fell on your head a few times?

Why don't you stick to discussing things you have a clue about?
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Actually it has everything to do with it. Unless you think policy decisions should be made based on a daily referendum of all concerned people. We have troops stationed abroad because the elected representatives of the people of those nations wantED the troops to be there.

I am sorry you do not like representative government but it is the best around.
Big difference --> see above!
When they had respect for us and when we had respect for the rest of the world, they did not mind. Nowdays, no one, absolutely NO ONE wants US troops or US presence in their country. THink about it! That is the whole point of this thread -- things have changed for the good ole USA, and they are much worse nowday, and will just continue to spiral down, unless...
Unless we finally realize we're just the part of this world, and we do not own it.
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