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      07-07-2010, 10:28 PM   #23
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Looks very good! Are those the harnesses you told me about in a PM? Where I can amp the in-car speakers without having to rewire everything (i.e.: connecting to existing speaker wire?). If so, where can I get em?
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The OEM amp harness pictured is a pre-production sample; the connector is 99% correct, the wires and cables are custom for this application. Production models will be generic (RCA cables, Relay and speaker wires labeled and unterminated).

The OEM speaker connectors are P/N 61 13 8 373 583. The wires and pins (already crimped) that can be used with these connectors are P/N 61 13 0 005 198.
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      07-08-2010, 09:08 AM   #25
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Here are pics of Don's install you're referring to:





Doesn't it look like he opened up the backside of the door panel a bit? I'm not certain...
Is that the Jehnert panel?

Also, did you end up getting the Vanadiums to fit? That's what I'll be using if I can find an installer in the Pacific NW that doesn't want to charge me $5000 for install alone.
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This was another surprise... this convertible tweeter pod has a very deep and thick ring between the mounting tabs, so the Morel tweeter could not get into the OEM mount deep enough to clear one screw in that metal sail. So those rings got to go as well.

I was expecting to install them as I did in my Sedan but the mount was really different (my Sedan photo; no photos of the Convertible mount, sorry):




Question: What are the dimensions of the OEM tweeter in the sail panel, what are the dimensions of the Morel tweeter (MT-22?), and do you think the ScanSpeak D2004/6020 (dimensions here: https://www.madisound.com/store/prod...oducts_id=8672) could be installed in an E92/3?
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      07-12-2010, 10:41 AM   #27
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Question: What are the dimensions of the OEM tweeter in the sail panel, what are the dimensions of the Morel tweeter (MT-22?), and do you think the ScanSpeak D2004/6020 (dimensions here: https://www.madisound.com/store/prod...oducts_id=8672) could be installed in an E92/3?
From what I remember the OEM tweeter is significantly less than 50mm diameter and the Scanspeak is 55mm so you would have to trim a good amount of the mounting flange on the Scanspeak to fit.
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Is that the Jehnert panel?

Also, did you end up getting the Vanadiums to fit? That's what I'll be using if I can find an installer in the Pacific NW that doesn't want to charge me $5000 for install alone.
I made that adapter. The Vanadiums are listed as having a 46mm mounting depth and the Esotar in the picture has a 42mm mounting depth. According to Technic's info, it would be too deep but it would be hard to say for sure without actually trying.
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I have never understood why people are so concerned with aftermarket tweeters fitting into the existing brackets (snap-in). Bottom line is this: If it doesn't fit, just get the dremel and the hot glue gun and MAKE it fit. There is plenty of room for most tweeters and there is nothing you can screw up back there. In the worst case you'll have to remove all the OEM clips and when you sell the car, you'll have to hot glue the OEM tweeter back in there. Is anyone going to look behind the sail panel, ever?
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I made that adapter. The Vanadiums are listed as having a 46mm mounting depth and the Esotar in the picture has a 42mm mounting depth. According to Technic's info, it would be too deep but it would be hard to say for sure without actually trying.
The Vanadium also has a thick plastic frame and the surround protrudes forward from that plane. The frame also has a pretty large outside diameter. I have installed them into the E90, and I say NFW they go into an E92.

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Dude, that's a great tweeter, but it won't go into an E90, much less an E92/3, Dremel or not. You could make a totally new tweeter rear housing and a new grille, IF you use the slimmer version with less rear chamber. But that one is total custom work.

Light tweeters can usually be held in place with glue of some sort, but those 6020-family tweeters are freaking heavy, and a dab of glue ain't gonna do it. You need a really good custom molded support for them, I believe.

It's a really nice tweeter, but if the rest of the system isn't insane, it's kinda overkill.
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I have never understood why people are so concerned with aftermarket tweeters fitting into the existing brackets (snap-in). Bottom line is this: If it doesn't fit, just get the dremel and the hot glue gun and MAKE it fit. There is plenty of room for most tweeters and there is nothing you can screw up back there. In the worst case you'll have to remove all the OEM clips and when you sell the car, you'll have to hot glue the OEM tweeter back in there. Is anyone going to look behind the sail panel, ever?
Make the hole big enough, kinda hard to do, but mostly I agree with you. IN this case I believe that Technic was in a sort of Mission:Impossible situation. Takes time. I know I wouldn't want to do it in an underground garage...

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From what I remember the OEM tweeter is significantly less than 50mm diameter and the Scanspeak is 55mm so you would have to trim a good amount of the mounting flange on the Scanspeak to fit.
The depth is the main issue for that tweeter, sir.
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      07-12-2010, 12:12 PM   #33
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Make the hole big enough, kinda hard to do, but mostly I agree with you. IN this case I believe that Technic was in a sort of Mission:Impossible situation. Takes time. I know I wouldn't want to do it in an underground garage...

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The window trims are also cheap enough such that you could buy a spare to hack up and install whatever you want and then put the original back in if you need to go back to stock. That's what I did.
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That's what I did.
X2...with the caveat that you still have to test the depth...
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The depth is the main issue for that tweeter, sir.
Good call. I didn't notice that the model number was the deeper version.
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The depth is the main issue for that tweeter, sir.
Then the D3004/6020 might be a better selection, with a mounting depth of 21mm versus the MT-23 20mm, and 61.9mm cutout diameter versus the 50mm of the Morel MT-23?

Didn't you mount an MT-23 in that location?

And matched with a top mounted ScanSpeak 12m/4631, you might actually have something that isn't totally insane, but a nice $800 2 way component speaker setup (assuming it was actively managed, by, say an MS-8). Throw in an BMW Individual Audio center coax, maybe 2 more IA coaxes in the back, something under the seats, add an amp (maybe a pair of ARC Mini KS 125.4), and you might be sitting pretty.
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Then the D3004/6020 might be a better selection, with a mounting depth of 21mm versus the MT-23 20mm, and 61.9mm cutout diameter versus the 50mm of the Morel MT-23?

Didn't you mount an MT-23 in that location?

And matched with a top mounted ScanSpeak 12m/4631, you might actually have something that isn't totally insane, but a nice $800 2 way component speaker setup (assuming it was actively managed, by, say an MS-8). Throw in an BMW Individual Audio center coax, maybe 2 more IA coaxes in the back, something under the seats, add an amp (maybe a pair of ARC Mini KS 125.4), and you might be sitting pretty.
I thought about going this very route so I'll share with you the reasons why I didn't go there. First, the 12M is really not meant to be used in an IB application which is what it would be if you installed it in the factory door location. Its best used in a sealed enclosure and even then, it is a deidcated midrange driver. The recommended x-over frequency is around 300Hz or so. So now you have to pick up from there down with the underseat location and running those that high would probably sound a little strange like someone talking to your butt. If you were using them as dedicated midbasses and had a sub in the trunk it might help a little but I think it still would be strange to have anything higher than 200Hz coming from under the seats. IMO opinion, when using high priced component like the Scan-speak, the only way its going to make sense if if you're willing to put in the effort to install them in an optimal location and enclosure. Otherwise, the performance will drop off and your money would have been better spent on cheaper components that will get you similar performance from the OEM locations.
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Oh well, thanks for the education...seriously.
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...and besides, I *still* don't think they fit
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I have the Hybrid Ovation II 4" mounted at both the front door and rear panels. The front door clearance was a bit tricky. I had to use the Morel supplied grill and mounting clips. The trick is to mount the clips backwards so the speakers would be pushed further out.

I wish I would have kept the stock grills because they do look better, but did not use them because I looked at the woofers under peak load and the Xmax seemed like it would hit the grill.
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Nice to see Don's work up here! The first pic is the esotar 110 tweeter in the stock 4" mid spot, and the second shows the earlier iteration of the system where an esotar 430 4" mid was put in there. Yes, those are 808MGuy's awesome speaker rings! I actually gave those to Don to use for this install, and they work perfectly with the esotar 110 tweeter as well. That is also the Jehnert door pod fitted with two esotar 650s and the esotar 430. 4 Esotars per door!

I never got a chance to listen to the system, but the exact same setup is going into my car soon so will post some more pics when I am able to get everything setup

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Doesn't it look like he opened up the backside of the door panel a bit? I'm not certain...
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Nice to see Don's work up here! The first pic is the esotar 110 tweeter in the stock 4" mid spot, and the second shows the earlier iteration of the system where an esotar 430 4" mid was put in there. Yes, those are 808MGuy's awesome speaker rings! I actually gave those to Don to use for this install, and they work perfectly with the esotar 110 tweeter as well. That is also the Jehnert door pod fitted with two esotar 650s and the esotar 430. 4 Esotars per door!

I never got a chance to listen to the system, but the exact same setup is going into my car soon so will post some more pics when I am able to get everything setup
I'm too lazy to search. What would the cost be for a similar set of speakers?
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I'm too lazy to search. What would the cost be for a similar set of speakers?
About as much as your wheels Seriously!
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Esotars are stupid expensive. Way more expensive than all but the top line BBS wheels.

MSRP on tweeters are $1600 for a pair
mids $1600 per pair
midwoofers $1100 per pair
Subwoofer $1600
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