C&D Editors choose M3 as their pick from 400+ hp club

330CIZHP · 06-18-2010, 07:26 PM

It beat out Ford Mustang GT, Nissan GT-R in the same category.

http://www.caranddriver.com/features...epower-feature

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FStop7 · 06-18-2010, 07:35 PM

I like C&D but their BMW bias is nuts. Saying the M3 is better than the Ferrari California, the GT3, the GTR, the R8, the Rolls Phantom, and the Alfa Romeo 8C?

That's just fanboyism.

riyatch · 06-18-2010, 07:35 PM

after 3 years the M3 is still the car to beat and continues to win in most comparos. nice find.

Scoobe · 06-18-2010, 08:57 PM

M3 just does everything well. I think that is always what makes it stand out from better performing cars, especially to reviewers. In individual catagories, the M3 wins some and loses some, but overall I think its hard to beat, just from my shopping around.

e1000 · 06-18-2010, 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FStop7

I like C&D but their BMW bias is nuts. Saying the M3 is better than the Ferrari California, the GT3, the GTR, the R8, the Rolls Phantom, and the Alfa Romeo 8C?

That's just fanboyism.

They didn't seem to outline any criteria for who gets to win this list. Is it "our pick" if they had an unlimited budget or are they thinking of a daily driver? I see where they're going but people shopping in the 400hp range can have wildly different ideas of what they want in a car.

bobbyd1961 · 06-18-2010, 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FStop7

I like C&D but their BMW bias is nuts. Saying the M3 is better than the Ferrari California, the GT3, the GTR, the R8, the Rolls Phantom, and the Alfa Romeo 8C?

That's just fanboyism.

please do not ever compare an alfa romeo to a bmw. the 128 is a better quality vehicle than any ALFA i owned and suffered with one. and the current reviews are horrid. im sure it didnt compare it with ferrai or the GT2 . i can see a comparison with the R8 and the GTR.

bobbyd1961 · 06-18-2010, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by 330CIZHP

It beat out Ford Mustang GT, Nissan GT-R in the same category.

http://www.caranddriver.com/features...epower-feature

i agree with their assessments of the winners. i love that ITALIA

GOLFFRR · 06-18-2010, 09:37 PM

o wow, that crazy that it beat out some of those cars.

Herknav · 06-18-2010, 10:10 PM

That article says more about Ford than anything else...

yemenmocha · 06-18-2010, 11:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FStop7

I like C&D but their BMW bias is nuts. Saying the M3 is better than the Ferrari California, the GT3, the GTR, the R8, the Rolls Phantom, and the Alfa Romeo 8C?

That's just fanboyism.

+1

Voltigeur · 06-19-2010, 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FStop7

I like C&D but their BMW bias is nuts. Saying the M3 is better than the Ferrari California, the GT3, the GTR, the R8, the Rolls Phantom, and the Alfa Romeo 8C?

That's just fanboyism.

This was my 1st reaction - much as I love my ///M - but think the poster

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scoobe

above

is right that they are making this choice on a holistic basis incuding factors like bang-for-buck, useability/flexibility - not just performance & looks.

If I were going to the track I'd choose the GT3; a weekend jaunt on the Pacific Hwy, the Cali. For gorgeousness: the 8C.

But on a day-in-day-out basis + the ability to do track, the M3 does make sense and is relatively affordable.

MrHarris · 06-19-2010, 06:19 PM

M3 is jack of all trades, and when you look at the whole picture it's a wonderful car.

Koroush · 06-19-2010, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by MrHarris

M3 is jack of all trades, and when you look at the whole picture it's a wonderful car.

Best car ever made... Everything taken into consideration. (Price being a big one)

AMOCHOSTO · 06-19-2010, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Koroush

Best car ever made... Everything taken into consideration. (Price being a big one)

Except range and fuel economy, in which case it's one of the worst cars made in the last few decades.

Scoobe · 06-19-2010, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by AMOCHOSTO

Except range and fuel economy, in which case it's one of the worst cars made in the last few decades.

The Chrylsers are far worse on mpg for the same HP. (300, Charger, etc). friend of mine with an SRT 300 gets around 12.

Alex1911 · 06-19-2010, 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by e1000

They didn't seem to outline any criteria for who gets to win this list. Is it "our pick" if they had an unlimited budget or are they thinking of a daily driver? I see where they're going but people shopping in the 400hp range can have wildly different ideas of what they want in a car.

Advertising Dollars, the editors keep that in mind when they edit an article, and remind the writers of that too.

I had a friend canned from a magazine because he "offended" the #1 advertiser by writing a crummy review of their product.

Do I think the M3 is the best car that makes over 400HP, no. Do I think the M3 is the best car that makes over 400HP that I could afford, yes I do.

EuroB6 · 06-20-2010, 05:52 AM

Yeah, I don't think so. There are a lot of cars on that list that will top the M. None the less, the M is pretty sweet.

ghosthi32 · 06-20-2010, 06:09 PM

talk about bias...lol

schnitzer amir · 06-20-2010, 06:23 PM

one day soon i will be able to afford 1.... have e46 M3 and an e90 330i M Sport fully ACS. but you are all right M3 is the way to go....!

ONE92 · 06-20-2010, 06:27 PM

I'm thinking that they are right on. I would not have another car for a DD. I know that it is not the best track car, or the most luxurious. It is a track car, it is luxurious and it really feels so tight and well built. Everyone knows the GTR will kill it on a track, everyone knows a DB9 is pure sex and everyone knows that a 7 series is way more luxurious. I think C&D is giving us there honest opinion of what they would choose, if they could only have one. I read another article from them a few months back, about the M3. It was a refresh on it. They said after 3 years of it being out, they were so impressed, that they thought it might be the best car out there period. It is bias, because that is what they like, opinions are bias. I do believe that it is there honest opinion though.

NewYearsBoy · 06-20-2010, 06:54 PM

U guys are talking about Fuel Consumption... Take a look at this... (just thought u would get a kick out of it)

The M3 is a all around amazing car.... BUT.... ... .. .

I have owned a lexus from brand new to 100,000 miles and NEVER had a single problem... My brand new BMW has 5,000 miles on it and it has be in for service 2 ta 3 time a month....

Isn't QUALITY and RELIABILITY in the same category???

Scoobe · 06-20-2010, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Stoutnj89

U guys are talking about Fuel Consumption... Take a look at this... (just thought u would get a kick out of it)

The M3 is a all around amazing car.... BUT.... ... .. .

I have owned a lexus from brand new to 100,000 miles and NEVER had a single problem... My brand new BMW has 5,000 miles on it and it has be in for service 2 ta 3 time a month....

Isn't QUALITY and RELIABILITY in the same category???

You're driving a 135I, first year for the car. Pretty innevitable that it will have some teething issues. Most of the issues with the M3 seem to stem from the 08 model year as well. Thats pretty typical for all manufacturers. Lexus hasn't been without its own issues in the last year either.

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EuroB6 Private First Class Drives: 08 E90 335i Sport Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: NJ Posts: 188 iTrader: (5)	Yeah, I don't think so. There are a lot of cars on that list that will top the M. None the less, the M is pretty sweet. __________________ 2008 335i Black Saphire Metallic/Black Dakota/Sport/Loaded 19" BBS CH\|M3 OEM Rear Spoiler\|Cobb Tuned\|K&N Filter 2011 Audi Q5 Black/Beige

06-18-2010, 07:35 PM	#2
FStop7 I like cars Drives: M6 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Newbury Park, CA Posts: 5,061 iTrader: (3)	I like C&D but their BMW bias is nuts. Saying the M3 is better than the Ferrari California, the GT3, the GTR, the R8, the Rolls Phantom, and the Alfa Romeo 8C? That's just fanboyism.

06-18-2010, 07:35 PM	#3
riyatch Lieutenant Drives: e90 M3 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Vegas Posts: 466 iTrader: (1)	after 3 years the M3 is still the car to beat and continues to win in most comparos. nice find.

06-18-2010, 08:57 PM	#4
Scoobe Lieutenant Drives: 2011 M3 Sedan SSII/SN/DCT Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 561 iTrader: (0) Garage List 2011 E90 M3 [5.00]	M3 just does everything well. I think that is always what makes it stand out from better performing cars, especially to reviewers. In individual catagories, the M3 wins some and loses some, but overall I think its hard to beat, just from my shopping around.

06-20-2010, 06:09 PM	#18
ghosthi32 Banned Drives: Water camel Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: strait of hormuz Posts: 2,517 iTrader: (0)	talk about bias...lol

06-20-2010, 06:23 PM	#19
schnitzer amir The Don Drives: 330i M Sport ACS and a 1M Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Jersey, Channel Islands Posts: 99 iTrader: (2)	one day soon i will be able to afford 1.... have e46 M3 and an e90 330i M Sport fully ACS. but you are all right M3 is the way to go....!

06-20-2010, 06:27 PM	#20
ONE92 Private Drives: E92 M3 DCT Join Date: May 2009 Location: Northumberland Posts: 63 iTrader: (0)	I'm thinking that they are right on. I would not have another car for a DD. I know that it is not the best track car, or the most luxurious. It is a track car, it is luxurious and it really feels so tight and well built. Everyone knows the GTR will kill it on a track, everyone knows a DB9 is pure sex and everyone knows that a 7 series is way more luxurious. I think C&D is giving us there honest opinion of what they would choose, if they could only have one. I read another article from them a few months back, about the M3. It was a refresh on it. They said after 3 years of it being out, they were so impressed, that they thought it might be the best car out there period. It is bias, because that is what they like, opinions are bias. I do believe that it is there honest opinion though. __________________ E92 M3 DCT, Remus Race, ESS 575.

06-20-2010, 06:54 PM	#21
NewYearsBoy Colonel Drives: IS 300 Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Bradenton FL Posts: 2,365 iTrader: (0) Garage List 2010 135i M-Sport [0.00]	U guys are talking about Fuel Consumption... Take a look at this... (just thought u would get a kick out of it) The M3 is a all around amazing car.... BUT.... ... .. . I have owned a lexus from brand new to 100,000 miles and NEVER had a single problem... My brand new BMW has 5,000 miles on it and it has be in for service 2 ta 3 time a month.... Isn't QUALITY and RELIABILITY in the same category??? __________________ -------------------------------------------------------------- "Speed never killed anyone its very important to get that straight, Speed has never killed a soul. Suddenly becoming stationary thats what gets people." - Jeremy Clarkson

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