BMW M3 vs Formula BMW

Mark · 06-06-2010, 11:18 AM

It would've been more interesting with staggered starts like in these vids ( and )

Source: DrivexTv

Bart@AUTOcouture · 06-06-2010, 11:29 AM

Good comparison

richardg · 06-06-2010, 11:39 AM

Wow that was pretty cool. I wish I knew what they were saying.

smellthebeans · 06-06-2010, 11:51 AM

Formula BMW $hit canned in the U.S.

signes · 06-06-2010, 12:27 PM

Gee, what a shocking outcome. Looks like Jarama? Pretty twisty place. Almost 7 sec delta over only two miles, sounds about right. Driver #2 clearly better in the F BMW.

atr_hugo · 06-06-2010, 12:27 PM

Em Trey Drvr · 06-06-2010, 12:39 PM

What color M3 is that?

Daft · 06-06-2010, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Em Trey Drvr

What color M3 is that?

Dakar Yellow

1MOREMOD · 06-06-2010, 12:51 PM

intersting. think its dakar?

aajami · 06-06-2010, 01:12 PM

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henryyxyu · 06-06-2010, 01:21 PM

Did anyone else notice that one of the tailights on the M3 were out? lol. Cool video though!

Em Trey Drvr · 06-06-2010, 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daft

Dakar Yellow

You sure it's Dakar? Looks a lot brighter. I am not a big fan of Dakar, but this one looks great!

Poppin Fresh · 06-06-2010, 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by henryyxyu

Did anyone else notice that one of the tailights on the M3 were out? lol. Cool video though!

It must have had the "right brake lamp malfunction error."

the///Mthree · 06-06-2010, 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by henryyxyu

Did anyone else notice that one of the tailights on the M3 were out? lol. Cool video though!

You must be seeing things, they both work fine.

M3Alpine · 06-06-2010, 03:23 PM

cool vid

Excello · 06-06-2010, 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by signes

Gee, what a shocking outcome. Looks like Jarama? Pretty twisty place. Almost 7 sec delta over only two miles, sounds about right. Driver #2 clearly better in the F BMW.

Shocking outcome? Not meaning to be disrespectful, but you are clueless partner... I'm shocked it is not a bigger gap, the tires alone could produce such a big difference on the track times, let alone the weight difference...

etuoyo · 06-06-2010, 04:07 PM

Am I seeing this correct? The M3 has a greater straight line speed by a way and it is on cornering and breaking that the F1 car wins? Or was the F1 racer fooling around on the straight?

Excello · 06-06-2010, 04:13 PM

Mate, the formula weights around 450kg. Do you have any idea what it's like cornering/breaking in such a car?

Even accelerating, we have 140bhp for 450kg... Do the maths for the power to weight ratio. +- 3.2 kg per hp for the formula, and 3.75 for the M3 (I don't know the exact weight and didn't check it, just did the maths with 1500kg).

J08M3 · 06-06-2010, 04:21 PM

he probably would've been faster if he had the CF roof

signes · 06-06-2010, 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Excello

Shocking outcome? Not meaning to be disrespectful, but you are clueless partner... I'm shocked it is not a bigger gap, the tires alone could produce such a big difference on the track times, let alone the weight difference...

I was being sarcastic, I'm not clueless ace. I have quite a bit of single seater experience. Around such a short track, that seems to be about what I would have expected.

Evolution_GT · 06-06-2010, 05:15 PM

I've driven a formula car similar to this... with 170hp... 30hp more than formula BMW's have, and they both weigh in at about 1000lbs. The one I drove has performance similar to a Corvette ZR1, so it's really no surprise the M3 got dusted, especially in the turns.

Oulixes · 06-06-2010, 05:57 PM

The video is interesting, but the comparison it suggests is tenuous. Much as I like M3, the car is not in the same class as BMW-Sauber F1.09, and the F1.09 is not in the same class as other F1 cars. In the critical season of 2009, BMW-Sauber F1.09 was unsuccessful compared to Brawn-Mercedes, RBR-Renault, or McLaren-Mercedes - BMW-Sauber finished 6th overall. Many people who follow F1 racing thought that the 6th position was a fair achievement for a company who entered into formula racing in 2006. Obviously not all thought so - BMW AG decided to forgo formula racing after 2009, so the video is just an attempt to generate a bit of joy. Formula racing is an extreme sport, and speed is harder to make than joy.

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henryyxyu Lieutenant Drives: AW E90 M3 Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: CA Posts: 529 iTrader: (0)	Did anyone else notice that one of the tailights on the M3 were out? lol. Cool video though!

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etuoyo New Member Drives: BMW Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: UK Posts: 17 iTrader: (0)	Am I seeing this correct? The M3 has a greater straight line speed by a way and it is on cornering and breaking that the F1 car wins? Or was the F1 racer fooling around on the straight?

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Excello New Member Drives: E90 320D Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Portugal Posts: 26 iTrader: (0)	Mate, the formula weights around 450kg. Do you have any idea what it's like cornering/breaking in such a car? Even accelerating, we have 140bhp for 450kg... Do the maths for the power to weight ratio. +- 3.2 kg per hp for the formula, and 3.75 for the M3 (I don't know the exact weight and didn't check it, just did the maths with 1500kg).

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Evolution_GT Captain Drives: 08A22E93N52 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Toronto Posts: 856 iTrader: (0)	I've driven a formula car similar to this... with 170hp... 30hp more than formula BMW's have, and they both weigh in at about 1000lbs. The one I drove has performance similar to a Corvette ZR1, so it's really no surprise the M3 got dusted, especially in the turns. __________________

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Oulixes Lieutenant Colonel Drives: 330xi, 335i Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Terra Borealis Posts: 1,942 iTrader: (0)	The video is interesting, but the comparison it suggests is tenuous. Much as I like M3, the car is not in the same class as BMW-Sauber F1.09, and the F1.09 is not in the same class as other F1 cars. In the critical season of 2009, BMW-Sauber F1.09 was unsuccessful compared to Brawn-Mercedes, RBR-Renault, or McLaren-Mercedes - BMW-Sauber finished 6th overall. Many people who follow F1 racing thought that the 6th position was a fair achievement for a company who entered into formula racing in 2006. Obviously not all thought so - BMW AG decided to forgo formula racing after 2009, so the video is just an attempt to generate a bit of joy. Formula racing is an extreme sport, and speed is harder to make than joy. Last edited by Oulixes; 06-06-2010 at 06:11 PM.

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