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      06-14-2010, 06:10 PM   #89
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+1 ..I've seen the 2011 LCI angel eyes..they're nice..but the m3 retains the current headlights.
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I'll stay with my 2011 stock lights they are brighter than any after market lights.you guys can stay with your crap!
I don't think there's any dispute the non M LCI AEs are great looking.

Unfortunately, this is a completely different design that not many are prepared to cannibalize an entire set of new headlamps for.
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      06-14-2010, 06:23 PM   #90
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nice pic! but i don't think that is perfectly centered..you must be selling Lux products!!
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The AiB's still look better than the LUX kit from EAS' new centered pic...
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I'll stay with my 2011 stock lights they are brighter than any after market lights.you guys can stay with your crap!
I wouldn't trade 414hp and aftermarket angel eyes for no more than 300hp and brighter OEM angel eyes. Enjoy those bright lights!
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Gentlemen,

We definitely didn't mean to stir up any controversy or bad blood between vendors, we just simply posted a picture for what it's worth, comparing the two brands light output and ring coverage as requested.

Another big subject for debate is viewing angle, or claiming that the previously posted picture was off center:


This image is taken inside our facility out of direct sunlight at a 15ft distance zoomed in with an 18-55mm lens with cross hairs used for angle reference. Forum members should be able to make their own judgment from the information provided. We believe we have a stellar reputation on the forum and contribute a generous amount of information to educate others and have no intentions of deceiving anyone.
Brandon - i'm going to put this at polite as i can. Your pictures are misleading, and they are also not a fair representation. It doesn't matter what lights you are comparing, you NEED to be fair about it.

That picture again is not accurate.

The outer angel eye - depending where you take the photo, the outer ring will either appear fully lit, or it will appear partly lit. As you can see from the right side outer ring, it is evenly lit on the bottom, but in the middle it appears translucent. This is due to the design of the headlight, and the reflection of the optics in the ring. the ring is meant to be viewed directly ahead, and not from any sort of angel at all.

To illustrate my point, i have taken a bunch of pictures using a H8 halogen bulb, around 6500k color. The lights were as bright as i could get them in the room.

The bottom picture is centered and all the other pictures were taken from about 2-3 inches apart (up, left and right - according to their location in the picture) These were also taken from about 10 feet away, zoomed in 78mm( using a 28-200 lens) As you can see, moving 2-3 inches up, left or right makes the optics appear translucent, which is what you show in your picture.

I hope this clears up the confusion in the pictures that you have posted on this site
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Someone needs to shut this thread down, it's getting very annoying.

Enough

Call CalTech and have them take some pictures...
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Someone needs to shut this thread down, it's getting very annoying.

Enough

Call CalTech and have them take some pictures...
I strongly disagree with the above statement. The devil is in the details. For those who are really anal about their lighting this stuff matters. It seems there are many of us who are. The other thing I am anal about is vendor dishonesty, unintentional or not.

EAS: Your second photo is much closer to being fair and as anyone can plainly see in that picture the uniformity and brightness of the outer LUX ring has substantially improved. I applaud you for going back to the drawing board to try to show things in a more fair fashion. Here is the real question remaining in my mind. We all know that the BWM ring design is inherently viewing angle sensitive, especially the outer ring. That has been now beat to death here. Can you take an off angle shot to get the same non uniform illumination effect in the AiB kit? I suspect you can. If not, or if only just barely then it appears that the extra brightness in part cancels some of this natural tendency for non uniformity (especially in the out rings optics).
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The problem with this forum is some of the vendors have become like sharks, dying for your business. It's happening here and it's happening big time with the ECU tunes and S/C kit threads. Some people are having trouble admitting there can be more than one good/quality choice for a number of different mods. It has lead to countless arguments between vendors and their fanboys (or whoever got special pricing) to promote their product as the only viable solution. Everybody has different criteria in what they are looking to accomplish with their particular mod.... To say that one product is bad because it doesn't meet your specific criteria is ridiculous. Unless a specific product is causing damage to members cars there is nothing wrong with it.

Some people love the extremely bright HID's, for me they are too bright, some people love OSS, I don't like the look of OSS and prefer the look you get with the fiber optics. All options have proven to work, and all fit different peoples tastes.
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The point i was trying to prove with my post above (with all the pictures), is not to compare one product to the other. The point, as Swamp2 put it above, "is vendor dishonesty, unintentional or not"

I can not say which one is better or not, I have never even seen the AIB kit in person, so i can not, nor will i ever say anything good or bad about it.

Also, with that 2nd picture from EAS, i measured it in photoshop and it also was not straight on.
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Also, with that 2nd picture from EAS, i measured it in photoshop and it also was not straight on.
You don't need photoshop to see that it is not centered. Just use a ruler and measure from the red line to the A-pillar on both sides. Its pretty clear it is not centered.
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I just bought aibs from eas yesterday due to the lux recall. They are awful! Waste of 300 bucks. First the relay went out then once it was replaced you can hardly see the damn things during the day. I had lux before and am very bummed. Hate them!
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I just bought aibs from eas yesterday due to the lux recall. They are awful! Waste of 300 bucks. First the relay went out then once it was replaced you can hardly see the damn things during the day. I had lux before and am very bummed. Hate them!
You seemed very happy earlier today when you stopped by.
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Really!? Did I speak with you? You fixed the relay, I checked to make sure they were on and I said "thanks" and left. I saved my negative comments about the product to myself, since you don't manufacture them. I am anything but happy about them. They are awful.
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I just got AiBs installed a couple weeks ago and so far so good. I do wish they were a bit brighter, but seriously...I'm just happy to be rid of the stock yellow-ness. AiB seems to be a good quality product.

That being said, there appears to be a new product on the market. If I were still looking for angel eyes, I would seriously consider the Bellof LEDs from Japan that WSTO is now selling. PnP solution from a great vendor.

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=397680
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Really!? Did I speak with you? You fixed the relay, I checked to make sure they were on and I said "thanks" and left. I saved my negative comments about the product to myself, since you don't manufacture them. I am anything but happy about them. They are awful.
Your comment is a bit unfair as there is no resolution to your situation with the path that was chosen. Why did you not give us a chance to rectify or bring up that you were not happy with them during your visit?

If you are not 100% satisfied, please come back within 30 days of your purchase and we will have them removed and provide a full refund to your card.

No one should be forced to keep a kit they do not want, but at least give us a chance to make things right.
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A bit unfair to you? It's not a knock against you or your company. My gripe is with the aib as a product. I didn't feel that anyone at eas could do anything about the brightness aside from return them. Am I correct?
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Someone should measure the Lumen count for AiB's vs. Stock angel eyes vs. LUX

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how bout this picture of my car with first generation(wiring harness/drill into headlight version) of lux?

It was also taken head on...
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I can't knock the AiB's I think for the most part they look pretty good, all I can say is I hate how the vendors never give fair pics and everything turns into an argument as if there can only be one good angel eye solution....

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That being said, there appears to be a new product on the market. If I were still looking for angel eyes, I would seriously consider the Bellof LEDs from Japan that WSTO is now selling. PnP solution from a great vendor.

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=397680
Honestly the pic they show kinda looks shitty, they are just bright that's all.
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how bout this picture of my car?

It was also taken head on...
I can't even tell what kind of lights you have, but they look good and evenly lit.
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