BMW M3 Forum (E90 E92)

BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read


Go Back   M3Post - BMW M3 Forum > BIMMERPOST Universal Forums > General BMW News and Cars Discussion
 
Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      05-25-2010, 03:33 AM   #23
MrHarris
yodog
 
MrHarris's Avatar
 
Drives: '86 Corolla
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Diamond Bar, Ca

Posts: 5,037
iTrader: (5)

Garage List
2009 BMW  [5.00]
Send a message via AIM to MrHarris
X6 looks pretty nice IMO. 5 series GT? Oh hell no.
__________________

2009 E92 M3 | Alpine White | Black Extended | Advan RS | Turner Test Pipes | Dinan Axle-Back | OETuning | Eibach Springs | UUC SSK | VRS Front Lip | VRS Type I Diffuser | Matte Black | RPi Scoops | MS Filter | Yokohama AD08 | F1 Pinnacle
Special Thanks: Gintani | OETuning | eAs
MrHarris is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      05-25-2010, 07:08 AM   #24
jeremyc74
Banned
 
Drives: '08 135i Montego/Terra
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Evansville, IN

Posts: 5,972
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by MrHarris View Post
X6 looks pretty nice IMO. 5 series GT? Oh hell no.

The X6 doesn't look nearly as bad, but it's just so useless for something its size, not to mention the pricing.
jeremyc74 is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      05-25-2010, 07:45 AM   #25
CHCCubs
Lieutenant Colonel
 
CHCCubs's Avatar
 
Drives: 2013 BMW 328i xDrive Sport
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Toronto, ON, Canada

Posts: 1,744
iTrader: (0)

Not surprising, I've seen only one 5 GT on the road around here.
__________________

2013 BMW 328i xDrive Sport Line
Mineral Grey on Everest Grey
CHCCubs is offline   Latvia
0
Reply With Quote
      05-25-2010, 08:39 AM   #26
SCOTT26
Brigadier General
 
SCOTT26's Avatar
 
Drives: Frozen Dark Silver 30 Jahre
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: WORLDWIDE

Posts: 3,166
iTrader: (0)

I would like to pint out that this statement relates to the US Market only.
In Other markets for a low volume car the 5er Gran Turismo has comfortably exceeded it's targets. However what has failed to materialize within this report is that in the US , BMW have sold bar a few units two years sales combined of the 5er Touring with the E61's replacement the 5er Gran Turismo.

X6 has exceeded double initial expectations with over 80,000 units delivered to customers worldwide.
SCOTT26 is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      05-25-2010, 09:38 AM   #27
E90SLAM
Supreme Allied Commander
 
E90SLAM's Avatar
 
Drives: A BBS WHORE
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: .

Posts: 61,106
iTrader: (6)

Garage List
2006 330i  [4.67]
They've been smoking ever since they decide to put turbo on ///M cars....and the moment they think....let's build a GT car with no-market!!!
__________________
E90SLAM is offline   Hong Kong
0
Reply With Quote
      05-25-2010, 10:05 AM   #28
footie
Major General
 
footie's Avatar
 
Drives: ????????????
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: BMW M3 will get a V6TT

Posts: 7,507
iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2008 E92 M3  [0.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by E90SLAM View Post
They've been smoking ever since they decide to put turbo on ///M cars....and the moment they think....let's build a GT car with no-market!!!
Considering the among of niche products that BMW have thought up, developed, built, marketed and sold rather well I think they are allowed to have the odd bummer now and then. Regardless of what I think about the 5GT I can't deny that it's a much better effort than the R-class and as for the X6 which I see as the most pointless vehicle on the planet, I again can't deny that it's been a roaring success.

So where you see a company smoking pot because they (decide/got to meet the ever tightening emissions laws placed on them) switch to Forced Induction, I see a company that's meeting things head on and are at the fore front of future technologies and will do rather well out of all this.
footie is offline   No_Country
0
Reply With Quote
      05-25-2010, 10:09 AM   #29
jeremyc74
Banned
 
Drives: '08 135i Montego/Terra
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Evansville, IN

Posts: 5,972
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by footie View Post
So where you see a company smoking pot because they (decide/got to meet the ever tightening emissions laws placed on them) switch to Forced Induction, I see a company that's meeting things head on and are at the fore front of future technologies and will do rather well out of all this.

Yeah, because 5000lb SAVs that struggle to get 15mpg are the perfect way to meet CAFE standards.
jeremyc74 is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      05-25-2010, 10:18 AM   #30
footie
Major General
 
footie's Avatar
 
Drives: ????????????
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: BMW M3 will get a V6TT

Posts: 7,507
iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2008 E92 M3  [0.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeremyc74 View Post
Yeah, because 5000lb SAVs that struggle to get 15mpg are the perfect way to meet CAFE standards.
Considering it's weight, engine size, output and performance on offer the X5M is only 30g/km worse in emissions than the much lighter, rwd, manual gearbox, less powerful M3.

It all depends on how you view the data.

Last edited by footie; 05-26-2010 at 11:18 AM.
footie is offline   No_Country
0
Reply With Quote
      05-26-2010, 11:07 AM   #31
akack79
riDIRKulous
 
akack79's Avatar
 
Drives: F32 435i
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: T E X A S

Posts: 3,048
iTrader: (18)

Garage List
2014 F32 435i  [0.00]
Um BMW.... it's not selling b/c its so fugly and carries a high pricetag.
__________________
2014 F32 435i EBII / Coral Red
akack79 is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      05-26-2010, 11:21 AM   #32
keanu1
tiamat
 
keanu1's Avatar
 
Drives: 525 d
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: romania

Posts: 1,314
iTrader: (0)

X6 are everywhere, but Gt and 7 series just a few!!
Maybe we have to wait a little more and see!!
keanu1 is offline   Romania
0
Reply With Quote
      05-26-2010, 12:04 PM   #33
BMWCadet
Lieutenant
 
Drives: BMW E92 MR M3
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Fort Gordon, Georgia

Posts: 402
iTrader: (0)

The exterior of the GT is hideous, but my wife wants one badly. I told her if they come out with a diesel version, we'll talk about it. Not having a 550GT diesel makes no sense at all. I guess i'm in the minority, but I love the X6. It's a beautiful machine.
BMWCadet is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      05-26-2010, 05:10 PM   #34
Matski
Captain
 
Matski's Avatar
 
Drives: A slow BMW
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: England

Posts: 625
iTrader: (0)

7's I'm seeing quite a few of now... X6's less so, and 5GT's even less again, but I am seeing them about.

These arn't high volume cars though, and we should not expect to see them on every street! Also, and I mean no offence by this.. but Americans don't seem broad minded enough for niche vehicles - I guess its the reason why they don't get the tourer, all the diesels, or the 'normal' versions of the 1 series.
Matski is offline   England
0
Reply With Quote
      05-26-2010, 10:17 PM   #35
WILLIE92
H20 KING!!
 
WILLIE92's Avatar
 
Drives: E92 328I
Join Date: May 2009
Location: COLORADO/DOWNEY ,CA

Posts: 525
iTrader: (0)

fugly.
WILLIE92 is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      05-27-2010, 08:53 AM   #36
e46e92love
Brigadier General
 
e46e92love's Avatar
 
Drives: e92 ///M3; X3 (wife's)
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: The East Side of Things

Posts: 3,042
iTrader: (0)

Send a message via AIM to e46e92love
Quote:
Originally Posted by footie View Post
Considering the among of niche products that BMW have thought up, developed, built, marketed and sold rather well I think they are allowed to have the odd bummer now and then. Regardless of what I think about the 5GT I can't deny that it's a much better effort than the R-class and as for the X6 which I see as the most pointless vehicle on the planet, I again can't deny that it's been a roaring success.

So where you see a company smoking pot because they (decide/got to meet the ever tightening emissions laws placed on them) switch to Forced Induction, I see a company that's meeting things head on and are at the fore front of future technologies and will do rather well out of all this.
I happen to see a company who in one breath tells me that a car that makes up 3% of their sales must get better fuel economy as the justification for making FI (cough.....///M3....cough), while they plow money into tuned SUVs (sorry SSAVs) that east twice as much gas and refuse to place their diesels into ALL (7, GT, X3, etc) cars.

Doesn't make much sense to worry about fuel consumption and emissions in low production cars, and yet not seem to have a care in the world about their high volume production cars.

Has me completely

Cheers,
e46e92
__________________

"...it's not about the money and not about the brand of the car, it's about handling,performance and passion......And that, no other car has all together like an M3........when you talk about the most complete car the M is invincible." --Tony Kanaan.
e46e92love is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      05-27-2010, 09:01 AM   #37
jeremyc74
Banned
 
Drives: '08 135i Montego/Terra
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Evansville, IN

Posts: 5,972
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by e46e92love View Post
I happen to see a company who in one breath tells me that a car that makes up 3% of their sales must get better fuel economy as the justification for making FI (cough.....///M3....cough), while they plow money into tuned SUVs (sorry SSAVs) that east twice as much gas and refuse to place their diesels into ALL (7, GT, X3, etc) cars.

Doesn't make much sense to worry about fuel consumption and emissions in low production cars, and yet not seem to have a care in the world about their high volume production cars.

Has me completely

Cheers,
e46e92
I agree. BMW's upper management has lost it.
jeremyc74 is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      05-27-2010, 09:47 AM   #38
ALPINE6SPD
Lieutenant General
 
ALPINE6SPD's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 BMW 328i Sport
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Highland Lakes NJ

Posts: 10,416
iTrader: (2)

Send a message via AIM to ALPINE6SPD
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeremyc74 View Post
Any idea how well the X6 is selling? I haven't seen official numbers.
Where I work if we have 1 X6 in stock thats a lot. We have no problems selling x6's and in fact we would take more if we could get them. The car is way more of a hit than I ever thought it would be. Your not going to sell a lot of units but what the offered is usually sold before it gets here so they are doing something right. The probalme with the GT is that there is no AWD option yet. I told them when I was at traning the V8 with RWD is going to be a big mistake and that they should have waited and lauched the car with 35 and 50 with both RWD and AWD available. Look like I was right again. THey pay fcus groups instead of asking Client Advisors like myself what to do. I wil do it FOR FREE. I have been here 6 years and can usually get an idea and can tell when they make a mistake like with the GT. I thought the X6 would also never sell and I was wrong about that but other than that I dont think I have ever been to far off and usually get it right on the money.
__________________
2010 AW e90 328i: 6 speed, Black Leather, Dark Wood trim, ZPP, ZCW, ZVP,ZSP, Nav, Xenon
BMW Performance CF Rear spolier and Gloss black grills
2008 Candy White MKV GTI 2.0T 6 Speed Manul Gone
2008 AW X3 3.0si: 6 speed Returned
2006 AW e90 330i: 6 speed Dinan Stage 1 Returned
ALPINE6SPD is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      05-27-2010, 09:54 AM   #39
ALPINE6SPD
Lieutenant General
 
ALPINE6SPD's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 BMW 328i Sport
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Highland Lakes NJ

Posts: 10,416
iTrader: (2)

Send a message via AIM to ALPINE6SPD
Quote:
Originally Posted by e46e92love View Post
I happen to see a company who in one breath tells me that a car that makes up 3% of their sales must get better fuel economy as the justification for making FI (cough.....///M3....cough), while they plow money into tuned SUVs (sorry SSAVs) that east twice as much gas and refuse to place their diesels into ALL (7, GT, X3, etc) cars.

Doesn't make much sense to worry about fuel consumption and emissions in low production cars, and yet not seem to have a care in the world about their high volume production cars.

Has me completely

Cheers,
e46e92

DO you know why BMW does not bring ecver diesel engine here or are you just saying they can do it and just ay no? The truth is that is cost MILLIONS and MILLIONS of dollars to get any diesel engine certified for US sales. If they bring a 4 cyl diesel they would ahve to sell a TON to recoup the costs involved. They fel that a 4 cyl diesel would not sell well enough to recoup the cost and make profit and I happen to agree. Other than people on this board or my euopean clientel I RARELY get any interest on a smaller diesel engine BMW. Plus 99% of people on this board that say the would buy on right away if it came here are LIARS. They will come up with some excuse to not buy it. The dealership isnt giving a big enough discount, its overpriced, no finance or lease deal etc. It happens all the time here and in the real world as well. This is something I deal with EVERY DAY. I had a TON of people asking about new M3 and M5, and may other cars as well, and telling me that they are getting it when it comes out for sure and maybe 1 out of 25 ever even buy the car. Its the same thing with the 4 cyl diesel 3 series you mention.
__________________
2010 AW e90 328i: 6 speed, Black Leather, Dark Wood trim, ZPP, ZCW, ZVP,ZSP, Nav, Xenon
BMW Performance CF Rear spolier and Gloss black grills
2008 Candy White MKV GTI 2.0T 6 Speed Manul Gone
2008 AW X3 3.0si: 6 speed Returned
2006 AW e90 330i: 6 speed Dinan Stage 1 Returned
ALPINE6SPD is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      05-27-2010, 10:30 AM   #40
Bagelfast
Lieutenant Colonel
 
Bagelfast's Avatar
 
Drives: BMW
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: USA

Posts: 1,537
iTrader: (0)

X6 are everywhere around my area. 5GTer i seen twice... and OMG its looks like a bloated 5er BOAT. horribleeeeeee
Bagelfast is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      05-27-2010, 03:39 PM   #41
MOTO69JOE
Captain
 
MOTO69JOE's Avatar
 
Drives: E46, E90
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: The South

Posts: 876
iTrader: (3)

This car is even uglier in person.... BMW it's not the engine causing the lack of sales! Wake the fuck up!
MOTO69JOE is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      05-27-2010, 05:32 PM   #42
djse60
First Lieutenant
 
djse60's Avatar
 
Drives: 2011 550xi GT
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Richmond, VA

Posts: 330
iTrader: (1)

X6 vs. 550Gt

The X6 are doing well overall. The used car market on the X6's is very strong - 08 & 09 X6's 35i's are bringing almost the same money at auctions because they are all getting shipped oversees and being marked up.

I hated the 550GT the first, second and third time I saw it. But working in the car business and seeing it alot....its starting to grow on me a bit....but it truly looks like a squashed X6...like Jack came down the beanstalk and stepped on an X6 and then came the creation of the GT.

But most launch car GT's are still sitting on lots with near $90K price tags. Im waiting to see how BMW plans to market the 2010 GT's when 2011's are soon to come.
__________________

DJ
Driving 2013 AH3 - Retired 2011 550xi GT - 09 335i Vert White/Red - 08 M3 Sedan - 08 535i - 04 330Ci ZHP - 04 M3 CIC LSB
djse60 is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      05-30-2010, 12:03 PM   #43
DefBringer
First Lieutenant
 
Drives: 07 335i coupe
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Kansas City, MO

Posts: 318
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by e46e92love View Post
I happen to see a company who in one breath tells me that a car that makes up 3% of their sales must get better fuel economy as the justification for making FI (
You do realize that there are many, many people would would much prefer a FI engine in the next M3? More power, more torque, better gas mileage, superior tunability.
DefBringer is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      05-30-2010, 12:07 PM   #44
smmmurf
Colonel
 
Drives: 2009 M3 Sedan 6MT
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Pleasanton, CA

Posts: 2,105
iTrader: (7)

Quote:
Originally Posted by MOTO69JOE View Post
This car is even uglier in person.... BMW it's not the engine causing the lack of sales! Wake the fuck up!
+1, it is HIDEOUS in person.
__________________
M3 Sedan - AW/Black - 6MT - no moonroof - no folding seats - RAC RG63 - clear bra by Omega Werks
smmmurf is online now  
0
Reply With Quote
Post Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:28 PM.




m3post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST