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      07-31-2011, 11:03 PM   #45
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Dragging up an old thread, but didn't want to start a new one if I didn't have to.

Here in Canada, ZCP is a special order that costs about $5600 (including $400 special order fee; and that's before our 13% Ontario sales tax).

I only want the wheels. I'm also trying to avoid as much electronics that I don't really want as possible, as I mean to keep this car for a looooong time.

A couple of questions:

(1) Do I have to do anything special to the car, or can I just buy the wheels (e.g. off a forum member) and put them on my car?

(2) I understand there will be about an [EDIT: 10 mm] additional gap compared to the way those wheels look on a ZCP car, which I'm okay with. Any other differences? Will the slightly wider stance of the ZCP also remain? (because the ZCP wheels have a different offset? Sorry, don't know much about wheels...)

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Dragging up an old thread, but didn't want to start a new one if I didn't have to.

Here in Canada, ZCP is a special order that costs about $5600 (including $400 special order fee; and that's before our 13% Ontario sales tax).

I only want the wheels. I'm also trying to avoid as much electronics that I don't really want as possible, as I mean to keep this car for a looooong time.

A couple of questions:

(1) Do I have to do anything special to the car, or can I just buy the wheels (e.g. off a forum member) and put them on my car?

(2) I understand there will be about a 1 inch additional gap compared to the way those wheels look on a ZCP car, which I'm okay with. Any other differences? Will the slightly wider stance of the ZCP also remain? (because the ZCP wheels have a different offset? Sorry, don't know much about wheels...)

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There are many ways to get the ZCP wheels without having to order the package, I'm sure vendors such as 'eas' will chime in to help you with this.. The up side to ordering from those guys would be that the standard silver finish and the matte black gts finish both cost the same @$2600 USD. Or like you said you could just purchase them from a forum member, I know many members put them up for sale to make a quick buck and then move on to something aftermarket, they usually sell within a couple days of someone putting them up so be quick..

1) You don't have to do anything to your car, 'normal' (can't think of a more suitable term - flame suit on ) and ZCP share the same everything pretty much and many members again buy them to replace their 'regular' (flame suit on again!) rims, like you would be doing.

2) Whoever told you there will be an Additional 1 inch gap has you misinformed, ZCP's are lowered by 'just' 10mm and the naked eye obviously cannot tell such a small difference so you won't have a ridiculous gap between the wheel and the fender it will be an OEM look because after all it is all OEM. As for the stance I'm pretty certain (99.99%) that both wheels use the same tire profiles front/rear, 245/35/19 and 265/35/19, so in turn the stance will sit the same.

Hope this helps you in your quest on ordering your ///M. Good luck
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EDIT: Fixed the "gap" error in the original post.
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if you want aftermarket wheels ZCP pays for itself
order ZCP at a cost of $2500
sell ZCP wheels for at least $2500
buy aftermaket wheels, and enjoy your free EDC and sport mapping and 10mm drop
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if you want aftermarket wheels ZCP pays for itself
order ZCP at a cost of $2500
sell ZCP wheels for at least $2500
buy aftermaket wheels, and enjoy your free EDC and sport mapping and 10mm drop
Oh, I'd order ZCP at $2500 in a heartbeat if I could.

But I'm in Canada and ZCP costs $5600.
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I know this is an old argument but I have driven both and IMHO the MDM mode is worth the entire price of the ZCP if you track the car. Also, forged or not the ZCP wheels are lighter (~3 lbs each) and wider (0.5" each) than the OEM forged 19s. In addition, I believe the ZCP may help a little down the road on resale value. Just my 2 cents.
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I know this is an old argument but I have driven both and IMHO the MDM mode is worth the entire price of the ZCP if you track the car. Also, forged or not the ZCP wheels are lighter (~3 lbs each) and wider (0.5" each) than the OEM forged 19s. In addition, I believe the ZCP may help a little down the road on resale value. Just my 2 cents.

The ZCP wheels (359M) are heavier than the 220M wheels - not lighter.
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I'd do it yourself. There are better springs out there than the ZCP ones. And for wheels, by the time it came for you to buy them, I think you'd find something much nicer for the same price as well.

So, all you're missing is EDC (did you want EDC? if so, just get ZCP) and the revised DSC programming (not a big deal IMO just allows for more slip in M mode). Should mention, I'm in Canada, so for us ZKO (competition) is $6000 due to EDC pairing. AKA not really worth the cost.
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The ZCP wheels (359M) are heavier than the 220M wheels - not lighter.
Yes, ZCP's are heavier & weaker than the forged 220's. Avant Garde makes a replica 359 for a little over $1k. A couple different venders here sell them or you could hold out for the original.
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... the price of the ZCP include the complete suspension system, not just the software
It is only Sport mode thats different between

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lowered ride height
"Up to 10mm."

I suspect there is no difference.

So your $2500 buys you a software upgrade on 1 element of the EDC that most people will not even use let alone notice!

And it buys a cosmetic wheel that is worse than the 19" wheel.

Not such a good deal.
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if you want aftermarket wheels ZCP pays for itself
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buy aftermaket wheels, and enjoy your free EDC and sport mapping and 10mm drop
That's exactly what I'm doing...
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Yes, ZCP's are heavier & weaker than the forged 220's. Avant Garde makes a replica 359 for a little over $1k. A couple different venders here sell them or you could hold out for the original.
Nothing special about the cast ZCP wheels.

One minor note about the Avante Garde's; they come in 8.5 +20 front 9.5 +35 rears.. so they are actually not the same spec as ZCP wheels at 9 and 10 respectively, won't look as good.
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Nothing special about the cast ZCP wheels.

One minor note about the Avante Garde's; they come in 8.5 +20 front 9.5 +35 rears.. so they are actually not the same spec as ZCP wheels at 9 and 10 respectively, won't look as good.
They have them in E9x M3 fitment @ PY Speed & Sonic. I'm sure others carry them as well -

- 19"x9.0" ET18mm Front
- 19"x10.0" ET25mm Rear
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They have them in E9x M3 fitment @ PY Speed & Sonic. I'm sure others carry them as well -

- 19"x9.0" ET18mm Front
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My bad, I had recently searched for those exact specs in these but wasn't able to find them. I'll double check again now, thanks.
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Im all for the ZCP because its much more than just a drop and forged rims. I read up on how the new programming is different than the non ZCP.

to sum it up, in the ZCP the computer continuously regulates the various thresholds depending on the current situation, vs non ZCP the three modes would have fixed thresholds. You can basically say that with the ZCP the car is much smarter, and the technology has been perfected where the conditions are regulated by how much input the driver displays and the constantly changing external factors that would affect handling.

So yes, while it may be rims, and a drop, you have to remember the car is much more intelligent. This also influences my choice on transmission, because if i do choose the ZCP i will also get the DCT. These two upgrades dramatically alters the level of technological systems on board vs a manual m3 without ZCP.

decisions decisions... I still want that manual though... to have the pleasure of rowing through gears.... that NYC traffic scares me.


edit: not to mention the price of the ZCP include the complete suspension system, not just the software. You dont get charged twice for EDC and ZCP. So the 2500 is really lowered ride height + super awesome suspension setup + significantly more intellgent electronic control systems + forged Y spoke OEM rims which include M mobility so free change of tires, no matter what from bmw. Thats comforting stuff.
Keep in mind you won't feel any of that smart suspension with regular daily driving. Also, the regular EDC is "active" in the normal mode and fixed in the other two modes.



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Dragging up an old thread, but didn't want to start a new one if I didn't have to.

Here in Canada, ZCP is a special order that costs about $5600 (including $400 special order fee; and that's before our 13% Ontario sales tax).

I only want the wheels. I'm also trying to avoid as much electronics that I don't really want as possible, as I mean to keep this car for a looooong time.

A couple of questions:

(1) Do I have to do anything special to the car, or can I just buy the wheels (e.g. off a forum member) and put them on my car?

(2) I understand there will be about an [EDIT: 10 mm] additional gap compared to the way those wheels look on a ZCP car, which I'm okay with. Any other differences? Will the slightly wider stance of the ZCP also remain? (because the ZCP wheels have a different offset? Sorry, don't know much about wheels...)

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You can get the aggressive fitment that Malekreza has in the wheel section with +10 and +25 offset fitment and a square 19x10. It looks SICK!!!
You could also get proper fitting tires instead of the stretched stock tires.

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=517713

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I'm ordering a new car.

Should I get the ZCP package or just do it myself?

I can order the rims from turner motorsport and then get the tires that I want for about $2000 + $1200 = $3200 total. I can then sell my stock tires and rims for $1000? $1500?

Who has the best price for ZCP rims?
What are the stock 18"s + tires worth?

I don't think that lowering the car 1cm matters to me.
What about the reconfigured stability programs and EDC? And while the lowered suspension may not matter to you, it certainly doesn't hurt. I know that for myself, I am done screwing around with the suspension on a street vehicle. There is always some issue and I have determined that the suspension is definitely the one thing that I really don't want to ever have to mod on a car again. S such, the ZCP suspension was a big draw for me. Not sure selling your stock wheels/tires will be so easy. Not sure that there is a big market for new stock wheels.

In terms of value, ZCP is a no-brainer IMO. I think the wheels are just gorgeous. People comment on the fact that they weigh 1-2 lbs more than the type 220 wheels. Look, however, at the spoke design and weight distribution. The 220 wheels definitely have more weight distributed towards the periphery. So, while the 359 wheels may weigh a tad more, they have a better weight distribution.

However, if you are looking to go aftermarket, then don't spend the money. Just save it for your mods. ZCP is a nice "OEM mod" package.
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I actually think the zcp drop is noticeable. and I like the wheels better. however I think EDC is a waste of money. I'm enjoying the different look on my new car w/ zcp compared to my previous without
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There's EDC programming. I'm not getting EDC.
Then there is 1cm lower.

Is there anything else?

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Dont even get ZCP either.... save your cash for something more useful.
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Yup.... but they are not.
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As usual, all these posts and no one points out that the ZCP package also includes M dynamic traction control. You can't add that aftermarket. The dynamic steering is also ZCP specific, but is perhaps less of a benefit.
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As usual, all these posts and no one points out that the ZCP package also includes M dynamic traction control. You can't add that aftermarket.
I would not be surprised to see this as a dealer flash option later on.
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