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      04-21-2010, 07:14 PM   #23
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Just an update. I got a call from a dealer today, and it seems all the wheels are bent from the inside. Im obviously not saying these all happened from that one pothole but they have happened before that. The damage I got from that one pothole was my front passenger wheel. The rest of the wheels are damaged from the inside. They are not that bad but they are bent. I stopped there today and they did show me each wheel. I will have pictures of them up soon.

And to Brandon at EAS: I am sure that even if you did have a problem with the VMR brand you would not tell anyone about it since your company is probably the biggest supplier for them. I am not saying anything did happen, but I am not really trying to get a vendors perspective on this. It's your job to sell these wheels not bad mouth them.
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      04-21-2010, 07:28 PM   #24
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my vmr wheel bent from the inside and was bent at the hub so unrepairable. also vmrs arent light compared to bbs ch's.
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Just an update. I got a call from a dealer today, and it seems all the wheels are bent from the inside. Im obviously not saying these all happened from that one pothole but they have happened before that. The damage I got from that one pothole was my front passenger wheel. The rest of the wheels are damaged from the inside. They are not that bad but they are bent. I stopped there today and they did show me each wheel. I will have pictures of them up soon.

And to Brandon at EAS: I am sure that even if you did have a problem with the VMR brand you would not tell anyone about it since your company is probably the biggest supplier for them. I am not saying anything did happen, but I am not really trying to get a vendors perspective on this. It's your job to sell these wheels not bad mouth them.
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Unless the EAS cars are garage queens, I find it difficult to believe that he hasn't bent a VMR wheel since 2007 and just happened to bend an OE wheel on a small pot hole.

I don't have a problem with vendors pushing their products but it irks me when they try to somehow make us believe that certain products are of higher quality than they really are.

Even if they have never bent a VMR wheel, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that they are not high performance, top level quality wheels. To even insinuate otherwise, is pure BS.

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      04-21-2010, 07:47 PM   #26
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Unless the EAS cars are garage queens, I find it difficult to believe that he hasn't bent a VMR wheel since 2007 and just happened to bend an OE wheel on a small pot hole.
Far from it - here's VMR's e60 on the track equipped with VB3s:



eas 135 project with VMR VB3s:



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I don't have a problem with vendors pushing their products but it irks me when they try to somehow make us believe that certain products are of higher quality than they really are.

Even if they have never bent a VMR wheel, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that they are not high performance, top level quality wheels. To even insinuate otherwise, is pure BS.

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We have a strong relationship with the VMR team and I've personally visited their factory and seen the production process - the steps followed for quality control is second to none from start to finish.

We've never said the wheel was bulletproof, but have proven themselves in the past to be very strong for a cast wheel. However as stated before - no wheel is an e-ticket against potholes, especially when stiffer suspension and smaller profile tires are involved.

We don't offer products that we don't stand behind fully, and we've dropped a few because of the way they've done business or handled quality concerns in the past. I'm confident in stating that VMR is one of those companies that offers a quality product at a good price.
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      04-21-2010, 07:56 PM   #27
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my vmr wheel bent from the inside and was bent at the hub so unrepairable. also vmrs arent light compared to bbs ch's.
CH's are one of my favorite styles, but among the heaviest on the BBS line.
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      04-22-2010, 10:29 AM   #28
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I don't really see any problem here..

No rims are immune from bending.. sometimes all it takes is to hit something just right. you just gotta be careful on the roads..

VMR's are relatively inexpensive rims I would expect that they bend a little bit easier than a very expensive forged rim.
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Cast wheels are known to be weak. Point with this thread.
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I don't really see any problem here..

No rims are immune from bending.. sometimes all it takes is to hit something just right. you just gotta be careful on the roads..

VMR's are relatively inexpensive rims I would expect that they bend a little bit easier than a very expensive forged rim.

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Cast wheels are known to be weak. Point with this thread.
Great quote!

More bullshit propaganda from another vendor, blah, blah, blah. We all know what your answer is EAS..... Don't bother responding.

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      04-22-2010, 09:23 PM   #32
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I don't think it is quite so easy to say "cast wheels are known to be weak".

A forged wheel can be as strong as a cast wheel while using less material which of course makes it lighter which is the benefit.

There is no reason why a heavier cast wheel cannot be as strong as a lighter forged wheel.
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I don't think it is quite so easy to say "cast wheels are known to be weak".

A forged wheel can be as strong as a cast wheel while using less material which of course makes it lighter which is the benefit.

There is no reason why a heavier cast wheel cannot be as strong as a lighter forged wheel.
+1

You can't generalize wheels by manufacturing process or price. A forged wheel can be as weak as a cast wheel if not properly engineered, the same goes for a cast wheel, it can be as strong as a forged wheel if properly engineered.

Our wheels for example are rated at 1600lbs per corner. They are as strong as any forged wheel out there, the downsize is that they require more weight to achieve that strength. The plus size, you can get four or five sets of wheels for the price of one set of forged wheels.

To the OP, try to get a set of low-pressure cast wheels which is much more stronger than Gravity cast.
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I don't know if you have the EDC or an aftermarket suspension on your car?

You might want to set them to soft when driving around bad roads.. this will allow the suspension to absorb the harsh road condition and not your rims.. just a thought because I don't know what you have done to your car or you are the type of guy to always set your EDC to 2 lights + power when you start the car..

Forged or cast really has little to do with it.. hitting a pothole just right can bend any rim.. I've probably owned equal amount of both types in my driving career and the only two rims I've ever destroyed were very expensive forged rims... figures lol
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I don't think it is quite so easy to say "cast wheels are known to be weak".

A forged wheel can be as strong as a cast wheel while using less material which of course makes it lighter which is the benefit.

There is no reason why a heavier cast wheel cannot be as strong as a lighter forged wheel.
Exactly.

Really, improperly designed and manufactured cast wheels are known to be weak. Properly designed and manufactured cast wheels can be just as strong as their forged counter parts.

Has anyone heard of M3's OEM 18s bend?
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Exactly.

Really, improperly designed and manufactured cast wheels are known to be weak. Properly designed and manufactured cast wheels can be just as strong as their forged counter parts.

Has anyone heard of M3's OEM 18s bend?
This is why we are talking about VMR wheels. They are gravity cast and the manufacturing process is cheap. Hence a set of wheels for 1k, and that's after a markup. These wheels wholesale for $600 a set.
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You can't generalize wheels by manufacturing process or price. A forged wheel can be as weak as a cast wheel if not properly engineered, the same goes for a cast wheel, it can be as strong as a forged wheel if properly engineered.

Our wheels for example are rated at 1600lbs per corner. They are as strong as any forged wheel out there, the downsize is that they require more weight to achieve that strength. The plus size, you can get four or five sets of wheels for the price of one set of forged wheels.

To the OP, try to get a set of low-pressure cast wheels which is much more stronger than Gravity cast.
I hit a HUGE pothole yesterday and was sure I damaged something. Pulled over, checked the passenger front tire and wheel and all is fine. Tonight, no air leaks, nothing. It was a bad hit too. I'm running on Alufelgen SF-71s. I'm very happy... not to say I couldn't bend one but it proved to be very strong. Clearly the quality is good. I chose these for that very reason and am happy I did so.
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All cast wheels are not equal. With weight being equal it works like this:

Forged > flow-formed cast > low-pressure cast > gravity cast

BBS CH-Rs for example and OEM BMW M3 wheels are flow-formed cast BTW.

Here is a good link for reference:

http://www.tirerack.com/wheels/tech/....jsp?techid=90
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