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      04-17-2010, 05:57 PM   #45
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      04-17-2010, 06:01 PM   #46
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Woah, 100+ HP / ltr vs 80ish? A BMW 5 liter (granted the v-10, but still an important point) makes 500+ not barely 400

Who cares if the Mustang has 1000cc more when it weighs less than the S65?
The Ford 5.0 V8 weighs 40lbs less than the BMW 4.0 V8.

Believe me, I really want the M3 (or even the 335i) to be $30k (or $15k) better than the new Mustang GT...but it isn't imho.


@ Ford stepping up...hopefully, this will wake BMW up...freaking FORD is at their tails.
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      04-17-2010, 08:08 PM   #47
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The mustang feels totally different, not necessarily inferior or superior, just different.

I know what I want, and it's not a mustang.
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      04-17-2010, 08:21 PM   #48
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wtf is all this?

i def respect the new mustang and i think it's great what ford is doing but comparing it to an m3? lol
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      04-17-2010, 08:53 PM   #49
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'Stang's a great value and if you trail brake it enough it will actually turn and be fun. M3's the better driver, period.
wtf did u just try to say?
if you trail brake enough it will actually turn?

do u even know what trail braking is or you just like any other M3 driver trying to sound like u know how to drive.
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      04-17-2010, 09:51 PM   #50
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This is great. I really really wish the stang gets as close to the M3 as possible.

BMW cant let this become reality and has to step their game up just like ford has stepped up.
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LoL American Car company just trying so hard to save them self!
Poor Toyota Now what? Trying to beat other?
Whatever~I'am not paying 40000 and getting a car that come with cheap shit interior!!
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and can someone explain different between "luxury" and "cheap shit"???
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      04-17-2010, 10:28 PM   #53
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the mustang is making more than 412 if its getting 395 to the wheels?
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      04-17-2010, 11:26 PM   #55
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LoL American Car company just trying so hard to save them self!
Poor Toyota Now what? Trying to beat other?
Whatever~I'am not paying 40000 and getting a car that come with cheap shit interior!!
u can upgrade it~ here is the list but.....

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      04-18-2010, 12:37 AM   #56
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I'm really impressed with the stang's engine,it weighs less,same power as the S65 and with better fuel econony.
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      04-18-2010, 01:14 AM   #57
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Good read...

Glad to see that Ford is stepping up to the plate.
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      04-18-2010, 02:51 AM   #58
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Its amazing to me that all these BMW "enthusiasts" worry more about the interior quality then the actual performance of their cars. It just goes to show who the poseurs are. For me its always been and will be Looks, performance, price, and then interior. I'd rather enjoy the sound and performance of my car then worry about what kind of leather i'm sitting in or the kind of emblem on my hood.

That's why u were driving Zo6 right?
Sorry man u don't need the Luxury someone els need it~
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see 6:06 <--- i just can't take that

Ps. should i worry about M3 performance.........?

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      04-18-2010, 04:33 AM   #59
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Its amazing to me that all these BMW "enthusiasts" worry more about the interior quality then the actual performance of their cars. It just goes to show who the poseurs are. For me its always been and will be Looks, performance, price, and then interior. I'd rather enjoy the sound and performance of my car then worry about what kind of leather i'm sitting in or the kind of emblem on my hood.
Performance? U mean straight line?
To me! i'am not surprise that all these American Muscle "enthusiasts" will care about "Luxury"

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      04-18-2010, 07:50 AM   #60
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Its amazing to me that all these BMW "enthusiasts" worry more about the interior quality then the actual performance of their cars. It just goes to show who the poseurs are. For me its always been and will be Looks, performance, price, and then interior. I'd rather enjoy the sound and performance of my car then worry about what kind of leather i'm sitting in or the kind of emblem on my hood.

Did you say all BMW enthusiasts? a lot of people here are praising the new stang's engine. e.g. post #57

Should we also praise the cheap Mustang's interior? c'mon now.

Believe it or not some people don't mind paying extra for a nicer interior and nicer design. That's also why some people rather buy a less powerful 911 than the cheesy looking Z06.
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Did you say all BMW enthusiasts? a lot of people here are praising the new stang's engine. e.g. post #57

Should we also praise the cheap Mustang's interior? c'mon now.

Believe it or not some people don't mind paying extra for a nicer interior and nicer design. That's also why some people rather buy a less powerful 911 than the cheesy looking Z06.
It sounds like you really care more about interior than exterior styling and performance. I say a Lexus is right up your alley.

Yeah sure, really cheesy
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Performance? U mean straight line?
To me! i'am not surprise that all these American Muscle "enthusiasts" will care about "Luxury"

Straight lineAnother one that has been sleeping for the past 6 years.

Pssssst, go look up road track times for ANY C6 Vette. Better yet, go drive one in the twisties and then come back and tell me "straight line only".
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American cars want to be "better" than European cars. Ex.: Corvette, Mustang, Cadillac. But they shall never, at least in the next 5 years, be "better" or be Dream cars here in Europe. If you want to know why, just come here to Europe: London, Paris,.......
Not saying the Mustang is not good or worse than M3, but 97 % of Europeans would take an M3 over a Mustang, and if they do not have the money for an M3, they will take one of these: Audi S3, VW Golf R, VW Scirocco R, Ford Focus RS, Renault Megane RS.
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Straight lineAnother one that has been sleeping for the past 6 years.

Pssssst, go look up road track times for ANY C6 Vette. Better yet, go drive one in the twisties and then come back and tell me "straight line only".
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Its amazing to me that all these BMW "enthusiasts" worry more about the interior quality then the actual performance of their cars. It just goes to show who the poseurs are. For me its always been and will be Looks, performance, price, and then interior. I'd rather enjoy the sound and performance of my car then worry about what kind of leather i'm sitting in or the kind of emblem on my hood.
We're poseurs now? Who said we bought our cars purely for their performance?

If I was concerned with just obtaining performance, I would have purchased a Lotus Exige, a Shelby mustang, or something of that nature. Instead, I chose an M3 for its combination of usability, performance, looks, confidence-inspiring handling, pedigree, and engineering ingenuity. And yes, for its excellent fit and finish, including the interior. I don't think there is anything 'poser' about this.

People on this board are just trying to make the point that there is a lot more that goes into buying a car for some people than pure, raw performance. Yes, some of us actually want a car that isn't made out of plastic .
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We're poseurs now? Who said we bought our cars purely for their performance?

If I was concerned with just obtaining performance, I would have purchased a Lotus Exige, a Shelby mustang, or something of that nature. Instead, I chose an M3 for its combination of usability, performance, looks, confidence-inspiring handling, pedigree, and engineering ingenuity. And yes, for its excellent fit and finish, including the interior. I don't think there is anything 'poser' about this.

People on this board are just trying to make the point that there is a lot more that goes into buying a car for some people than pure, raw performance. Yes, some of us actually want a car that isn't made out of plastic .
While I certainly wouldn't call them "poseurs", some are indeed more concerned about the badge on the hood or the interior.

It just comes down to what means more to you. Interior means something to me as does build quality, etc. My first criteria is exterior styling. I love the "lookback" factor. You know the one where you park it and start to walk away but always give it the lookback. I also think if said car is somebody's only means of transporation then obviously some things are going to carry more weight than if they had other options to drive (see interior appointments, space,etc).

I do think that the M3 is hard to beat (if not impossible) when it comes to a performance daily driver. It's that good....but while certainly an attractive car, it just does not have that distinctive "sportscar" look as a Vette, Viper, 911, F430, etc. What I'm tryin to say is that it wouldn't make much sense to me to have an E9xM3 and a sportscar. I could see having an SUV and a true sportscar. If you could only have one car --- an E9xM3 would be at the top of most lists.

For the record, BMW/Porsche/Benz all have their fair share of plastic. One thing I have seen across the board from virtually every mfgr and that is abundant amounts of orange peel in the paint. Thanks to the enviro wackos for that (see Al Gore).
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