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      11-21-2006, 01:46 PM   #1
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Ucla Taser Incident

Didn't know if you guys heard about this and didn't see it anywhere on the site. What do you think?

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Here is the interview with Keith and the UCLA student's lawyer on MSNBC below:

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The thing is though, almost every student knows that the CSO's do random checks for student ID's past 10 pm. I knew this when I was student there, so this guy obviously knew it was against the rules (the % of stupid people on campus should be abnormally low). I do think the tasing was a bit excessive when a forcible removal from the library would've been enough.
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And here comes the lawyers:

National: Student to Sue UCLA After Tasering Incident
Sara Taylor, University of California, Los Angeles
Posted: 11/21/06
By Sara Taylor
University of California,
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Mostafa Tabatabainejad, the University of California, Los Angeles student who was Tasered repeatedly by campus police on Tuesday, has hired a lawyer. The attorney has offered the public its first look into the student's perspective on the incident in Powell Library.

Tabatabainejad's lawyer, civil rights attorney Stephen Yagman, announced plans Friday to file a federal civil rights lawsuit against UCPD for "brutal excessive force" and false arrest, and described the sequence of events as his client saw them.

At around 11:30 p.m. Tuesday, Tabatabainejad, a fourth-year Middle Eastern and North African studies and philosophy student, was asked to leave the library for failing to present his BruinCard during a random check.

Yagman said Tabatabainejad declined to present his BruinCard when asked because he believed he was the subject of racial profiling.

Tabatabainejad was born in the United States and is Baha'i by religion and Iranian by descent.

"As far as I know, he was the only one being asked. It's also been told that he was the only person there who appeared to be ethnically Middle Eastern," Yagman said.

The CSOs on duty announced they would be checking IDs, as is routine procedure in the library after 11 p.m., said Assistant Chief of Police Jeff Young.

Tabatabainejad did not leave the library immediately when he was asked to, but shortly afterward began to walk to the door with his backpack, witnesses and his attorney said.

Two officers approached the student and grabbed his arm as he was walking toward the door. When they did not let go of his arm, Tabatabainejad fell limp to the floor because he did not want to participate in a case of racial profiling, his attorney said. The 23-year-old student was hit with a Taser five times when he did not leave quickly and cooperatively upon being asked to do so.

The UCPD officers interpreted his action as resistance and a refusal to leave the premises, according to a UCPD press release, and at this point determined it was necessary to subdue him with the use of a Taser.

But Tabatabainejad and his attorney are asserting that the amount of force the officers determined was necessary constitutes police brutality, which Yagman described as "the use of great force against somebody who posed no threat."

Young, however, has said the officers could not have known at the time that Tabatabainejad was not a threat nor could they have been sure that he was not armed.

Tabatabainejad's case has not been filed, so neither university police nor the UCLA administration have publicly commented on it, and since the entire incident is under investigation, they are also not commenting on the specifics of the situation.
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I'm completely and utterly... shocked.

*ducks*

older thread: http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36778

But the lawyer stuff here is new!
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hilarious. i know i wouldnt have gotten tasered for resisting but an arab man is probably under suspicion all the time. you cant choose how you are born, but you choose how you live.
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I'm completely and utterly... shocked.

*ducks*

older thread: http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36778

But the lawyer stuff here is new!
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He should've just left, racial profiling or not. Of course, the above article is from the students perspective and the police's perspective will obviously be different. He didn't have the ID card and it was against the Library rules to be in the lab without one. The tazers was a bit over the top and was unneccessary though. But he shouldn't have acted like a "victim" and just leave as told.
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I guy like that...you just gotta taser him in the nuts!!!

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Do cops that take Tazer training get tazed themselves to know what it's like?

Anyway some interesting tidbits from Wikipedia:

"Early models had difficulty in penetrating thick clothing, but the `pulse' models are designed to bring down a subject wearing up to a Level III body armor vest."

and

"According to the many sources, a shock of half a second duration will cause intense pain and muscle contractions startling most people greatly. Two to three seconds will often cause the subject to become dazed and drop to the ground, and over three seconds will usually completely disorient and drop an attacker for at least several seconds and possibly for up to fifteen minutes."

Emphasis mine. No info on how someone would feel after repeated shocks, but I'm willing to guess that this guy fell into the bold category above.

So tell me, does the order to "stand up" by that psycho cop really make sense? I think not.
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And here comes the lawyers:

National: Student to Sue UCLA After Tasering Incident
Sara Taylor, University of California, Los Angeles
Posted: 11/21/06
By Sara Taylor
University of California,
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Mostafa Tabatabainejad, the University of California, Los Angeles student who was Tasered repeatedly by campus police on Tuesday, has hired a lawyer. The attorney has offered the public its first look into the student's perspective on the incident in Powell Library.

Tabatabainejad's lawyer, civil rights attorney Stephen Yagman, announced plans Friday to file a federal civil rights lawsuit against UCPD for "brutal excessive force" and false arrest, and described the sequence of events as his client saw them.

At around 11:30 p.m. Tuesday, Tabatabainejad, a fourth-year Middle Eastern and North African studies and philosophy student, was asked to leave the library for failing to present his BruinCard during a random check.

Yagman said Tabatabainejad declined to present his BruinCard when asked because he believed he was the subject of racial profiling.

Tabatabainejad was born in the United States and is Baha'i by religion and Iranian by descent.

"As far as I know, he was the only one being asked. It's also been told that he was the only person there who appeared to be ethnically Middle Eastern," Yagman said.

The CSOs on duty announced they would be checking IDs, as is routine procedure in the library after 11 p.m., said Assistant Chief of Police Jeff Young.

Tabatabainejad did not leave the library immediately when he was asked to, but shortly afterward began to walk to the door with his backpack, witnesses and his attorney said.

Two officers approached the student and grabbed his arm as he was walking toward the door. When they did not let go of his arm, Tabatabainejad fell limp to the floor because he did not want to participate in a case of racial profiling, his attorney said. The 23-year-old student was hit with a Taser five times when he did not leave quickly and cooperatively upon being asked to do so.

The UCPD officers interpreted his action as resistance and a refusal to leave the premises, according to a UCPD press release, and at this point determined it was necessary to subdue him with the use of a Taser.

But Tabatabainejad and his attorney are asserting that the amount of force the officers determined was necessary constitutes police brutality, which Yagman described as "the use of great force against somebody who posed no threat."

Young, however, has said the officers could not have known at the time that Tabatabainejad was not a threat nor could they have been sure that he was not armed.

Tabatabainejad's case has not been filed, so neither university police nor the UCLA administration have publicly commented on it, and since the entire incident is under investigation, they are also not commenting on the specifics of the situation.
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Do cops that take Tazer training get tazed themselves to know what it's like?

Anyway some interesting tidbits from Wikipedia:

"Early models had difficulty in penetrating thick clothing, but the `pulse' models are designed to bring down a subject wearing up to a Level III body armor vest."

and

"According to the many sources, a shock of half a second duration will cause intense pain and muscle contractions startling most people greatly. Two to three seconds will often cause the subject to become dazed and drop to the ground, and over three seconds will usually completely disorient and drop an attacker for at least several seconds and possibly for up to fifteen minutes."

Emphasis mine. No info on how someone would feel after repeated shocks, but I'm willing to guess that this guy fell into the bold category above.

So tell me, does the order to "stand up" by that psycho cop really make sense? I think not.
cops actually do both taze each other and pepper spray each other as a part of training. they need to know what its like and how to deal with it in a struggle if the perp uses it on them. anyway, the kid had plenty of chances to stand up, he was being a baby.
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1. The student should have shown his I.D., or been more cooperative.

2. Like another member commented, tasers should not be used to command obedience. With the number of officers there, they could have simply restrained him with handcuffs so he would not be a danger to himself or others, frisked him and searched his belongings. To taze him repeatedly for not standing up is inappropriate and excessive. One of the other female students commented she too was threatened to be tazed by one of the officers.
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That is what he gets for acting like an idiot.

Students know better...UCPD and campus CSO do not take things lightly around there because of issues in the past. He should have shown his ID or told them that he did not have it on him. To act like he did...will only worsen the situation...every single time.

Although...I agree with michael, handcuffs would have been a better way to go for the officers. But hey.....at least they did not shoot him with rubber bullets like they have done in past when students get out of control.
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lol popo brutality. we hire them to kick our asses. goodgame.
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lol popo brutality. we hire them to kick our asses. goodgame.
But who do you call on to save your ass in your time of need? (i.e. calling 911) It is hypocritical to say police "kick our asses" when in fact they save our asses too.

On another note, it was a terrible decision by the cops there to use tasers, but at the same time it was an equally, if not worse, terrible decision by the student to put himself in that situation. EVERY student knows you need your BruinCard after 10 pm in YRL/Powell, especially a 4th year student such as himself.
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I agree the kid was dumb and in the wrong, but I'm sure the cops/security are just itching to taze someone. I mean I know I'd be like just give me a reason to shock your ass mofo. That's part of the fun in being in that line of work. Beating people with batons and tazing them and getting to cary guns around town.
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But who do you call on to save your ass in your time of need? (i.e. calling 911) It is hypocritical to say police "kick our asses" when in fact they save our asses too.

On another note, it was a terrible decision by the cops there to use tasers, but at the same time it was an equally, if not worse, terrible decision by the student to put himself in that situation. EVERY student knows you need your BruinCard after 10 pm in YRL/Powell, especially a 4th year student such as himself.
your not supposed to analyze what i say specially when i'm joking... christ... haha and plus like i posted in the older thread... hes being a dumbass but the ucpd was being ignorant. YOU DONT TAZE TO ENFORCE. YOU TAZE FOR SELF DEFENSE. as i said in the other thread... try not to over analyze when you havent read what else i've said... i forgive you

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This is one of the most inappropriate uses of authority I have seen, closely behind the shooting in chino about a year ago. They kept demanding that he "stand up" yet by tazing him, they take away the ability to do so....just another reason law enforcement needs basic bjj as essential training for their officers....a simple request, followed by a swift take down and apprehension (w/ cuffs) and an escort to the exit....done, call it a day!
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I'm guessing that wasn't Sun Tzu
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