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      04-01-2010, 02:49 PM   #67
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i like this thread!
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      04-01-2010, 03:09 PM   #68
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+1 There is no need for that...this is an intelligent disscusion among intelligent men, if you have nothing valid to add to the thread then keep it to yourself please.

Technik those are impressive times, can you please provide us with more data so we can evaluate the figures. Thank You

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I have seen 1 dead G-Power engine in Germany at Manhart - of course no pictures, but I saw it! Is that enough of intelligence?! And also I know about more engine-blows worldwide...
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      04-01-2010, 03:19 PM   #69
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I have seen 1 dead G-Power engine in Germany at Manhart - of course no pictures, but I saw it! Is that enough of intelligence?! And also I know about more engine-blows worldwide...
Wow!
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      04-01-2010, 03:34 PM   #70
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i like this thread!
Me too, that's why I started it lol.... You just can't get enough. For sure though, as soon as Chris said okay with the iphone vid, I'll post it. I'll email him tomorrow about posting it. It's nothing special, it's just one of our MFlight with DCT getting smoke and me hiding in the back seat because it was so so so fast......
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      04-01-2010, 05:18 PM   #71
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All good, I thought Josh was referring to the 6.95s run as having a -3.19% decline, when it was actually -2.08%. The 6.83s run had a decline of -3.04%. If people want to throw out the other run based on that decline exceeding the threshold by .04%, then feel free. Not like this thread or the other one are an official database, just posting up the latest time and giving people all the facts so they can form their own opinion on these two sub-7s 60-130 runs.
Actually the 6.83 run is on a 3.19% decline, just to be sure I've had it confirmed by another source who has verified thousands of 60-130 Vbox pulls, and the way the rules are setup now it is not valid. However, the car near sea level, on less of a decline, might be capable of an even better time.
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I have seen 1 dead G-Power engine in Germany at Manhart - of course no pictures, but I saw it! Is that enough of intelligence?! And also I know about more engine-blows worldwide...
Uh no...your first comment was vague and childish! This one is a much better however, I would ask you to provide more details for myself and the rest of the community please. Thank You

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I never made a HP claim for this kit, that was tossed around by others using the VBox data (which is a guesstimate based on the performance of the VBox runs).
Just to be clear, the original 724bhp/600rwhp claim came from the Mflight meet:

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We went to the heart of G-Power, their HQ and shop. You would think they have some big facility, but when we got there it was in some small village and looked like a barn. Check it out for yourself. Owner gave all of us a ride in his experimental/research/developmental 724hp (dyno'd at 600 at the wheels) E92 M3. Crazy mad fast!

I was the one that ran the vbox pulls, but they basically confirmed that its making a little over 600rwhp SAE (650+rwhp in the favorable conditions in which the run was made):



I don't know whether its really pushing 9.5psi, but it is within the realm of possibility. A dyno with boost logs would certainly help settle the debate, but since the kit requires 95octane the point is kind of moot for those in the States...

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      04-02-2010, 12:51 AM   #74
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There is no way of seeing/hearing that you have a lowered compression motor.
But the exhaust note will change. Like I said, it sounded like an other Akra-equipped M3 but I also said that I wouldn't say whether or not the motor was built or not based on that.

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When Chris was in LA last year, he told me he was developing a Gpower water injection kit, that's why I assumed he would be running it now. It doesn't make a difference, it's just for cooling.

I know what a water/meth kit does and yes, it does cool, which in turn lets you run more boost because the intake charge temp is lower.
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      04-02-2010, 01:20 AM   #75
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Okay I got the okay from Chris. I'll post it later when I get home.
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      04-02-2010, 02:43 AM   #76
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You cant run 9-10 psi on this motor on pump fuel. You would have to lower the CR or run race fuel / meth. If the car is making 724 hp it is running more than 9.5 psi. The latest G-power car that was run on a dyno with boost recorded made 460 whp on 6 psi. You do not gain 200 hp on the same kit with a simple 3.5 psi increase.
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Check out the RGM superharger. It runs 0,65 bar of boost on pump fuel and no water meth. I think the high boost is asking for reliability issues, so I went ESS IMO

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      04-02-2010, 06:56 AM   #77
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Honestly, I like the ESS kit too. The stock-look profile is three thumbs up for me. I just don't like the idea of cutting pieces. I'm definitely getting the ESS when Im done with my deployment.
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Okay, here's the video with Chris driving his GP SK3. It's not all that exciting but the comparison is. The other M have a DCT.
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Honestly, I like the ESS kit too. The stock-look profile is three thumbs up for me. I just don't like the idea of cutting pieces. I'm definitely getting the ESS when Im done with my deployment.
You like that it costs half the price of the GPower kit, even with a VAT form...don't forget to mention that as well.
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You like that it costs half the price of the GPower kit, even with a VAT form...don't forget to mention that as well.
I don't think Norway accepts VAT form from Germany but I'll ask ESS for military discount lol. Even at the beginning I was leaning towards the ESS because of it's simple design and simplicity. Plus the DIY kit which I'd like to do it myself.
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Chris did another run, 6.36 on a 2.12% decline, VERIFIED! Excellent job!
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I don't think Norway accepts VAT form from Germany but I'll ask ESS for military discount lol.
LOL Norway? Yeah i'm sure ESS will take $50 off the price.
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I don't think Norway accepts VAT form from Germany but I'll ask ESS for military discount lol. Even at the beginning I was leaning towards the ESS because of it's simple design and simplicity. Plus the DIY kit which I'd like to do it myself.
Yeah that is a definite plus. If you have issues, i'm sure some German tuning shop would be able to help out.
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Chris did another run, 6.36 on a 2.12% decline, VERIFIED! Excellent job!
WOW that is fast!

Whatever the setup it puts down some serious numbers!
I need to get some more runs in!


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WOW that is fast!

Whatever the setup it puts down some serious numbers!
I need to get some more runs in!


No doubt, you should do that 600whp at 7psi on 93 octane setup! Bro, next time do it on a flat or slight decline stretch, not incline!
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No doubt, you should do that 600whp at 7psi on 93 octane setup! Bro, next time do it on a flat or slight decline stretch, not incline!

its all about the decline stretch for sure.
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So I just watched the video... DAMN! It felt faster but I didn't think it would walk a stock M3! The other one even had a head start and rolled up on him at speed!
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Chris did another run, 6.36 on a 2.12% decline, VERIFIED! Excellent job!

This speed is very fast! very fast
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