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      04-16-2015, 04:56 PM   #1
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Motion control coil over suspension

Hello, I'm looking to upgrade my suspension and I am working with a local BMW tuner/race car builder. They recommended motion control dampers either the one way or two way. I was on their website and it looks like they are dampers and no coils. Is anyone running this suspension? How does it compare to the KW V3 or club sport? What would you recommend?

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I have the MCS 2 way non remote with 700/1000 lb hypercoil springs and Ground Control race camber plates. They are exceptional and game changing on the track. Even with those spring rates they are comfortable on the street with the right settings.

I would argue that these are a substantial step up from the KWs.
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I have the MCS 2 way non remote with 700/1000 lb hypercoil springs and Ground Control race camber plates. They are exceptional and game changing on the track. Even with those spring rates they are comfortable on the street with the right settings.

I would argue that these are a substantial step up from the KWs.
The person I'm working with is recommending a similar setup. How much of a drop can you get?
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MCS is a superior product with regards to performance. You mentioned "drop". Why are you buying coilovers?
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MCS is a superior product with regards to performance. You mentioned "drop". Why are you buying coilovers?
Most coil overs are height adjustable, yes? I want to lower the car a little. 10mm or so. Like ZCP.
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MCS is a top line shock absorber. You are being steered in the right direction. However, if you are just driving on the street, this is overkill. If you intend to track your car too, MCS is what you want.
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MCS is a top line shock absorber. You are being steered in the right direction. However, if you are just driving on the street, this is overkill. If you intend to track your car too, MCS is what you want.
+1 i have the singles on my e46 m3 and love them.
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I too have a set of MCS 2 way NR, with 500/800 springs, will install it next month.
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      04-17-2015, 05:27 AM   #9
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I have the MCS 2 way non remote with 700/1000 lb hypercoil springs and Ground Control race camber plates. They are exceptional and game changing on the track. Even with those spring rates they are comfortable on the street with the right settings.

I would argue that these are a substantial step up from the KWs.
The person I'm working with is recommending a similar setup. How much of a drop can you get?
The range of height adjustability will be substantial.
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MCS with 700/1000 is BW recommendation. I am running the 2 way non-res and that setup. It dropped the rear a lot. BW had to add rear helper springs and the coupler to act as a spacer to gain some clearance. My only issue has been with the rear RD bar. I upgraded bars and links when I did it. The rear RD bar hits the axle shaft boot under massive compression at the track.
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my 500/800 is also recommend by bimmerworld. How much it will drop the rear when at max height? I don't want rubbing anything tho.
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      04-17-2015, 12:40 PM   #12
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my 500/800 is also recommend by bimmerworld. How much it will drop the rear when at max height? I don't want rubbing anything tho.
Depending on tire/wheel set up and a little trimming of the fender liner you should not get any rubbing. I think that you can get an 800lb rear spring in a longer length than the 1000lb and you won't need the "spacer" setup on the upper perch.

I am running square 18x10 et25 with 275/35/18 NT-01s and get no rubbing. I have even run that setup with a 5 mil spacer with no issues.
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Yes. 1000 only comes in fairly short lengths.
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Most coil overs are height adjustable, yes? I want to lower the car a little. 10mm or so. Like ZCP.
I see. I was a little worried you were part of "stance nation" with your use of "drop" You will have plenty of suspension travel with ZCP ride height.......and safely go a bit lower if like. I find the ZCP and have heard many report the KW club sport are a little crashy on the street. My experience on the track with MCS (triples) that they real absorb anything you throw at them. Want to run over curbs, alligator strips, small or large undulations, etc.... no problem. I have a feeling on the street they would be more supple than KW CS or ZCP unless you went with really stiff springs.
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I'm running MCS 1WNR with 450/800 spring rates and Vorshlag camber plates. This is my DD and I do 15-20 track days per year. I'm installing springs with 600/900 on Monday. I should still be comfortable on the street and good for the track as well. I love the singles, but I do wish I had gone with doubles.
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I'm running MCS 1WNR with 450/800 spring rates and Vorshlag camber plates. This is my DD and I do 15-20 track days per year. I'm installing springs with 600/900 on Monday. I should still be comfortable on the street and good for the track as well. I love the singles, but I do wish I had gone with doubles.
Same here about doubles
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Same here about doubles
why no love for the triples?
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why no love for the triples?
Might confuse me. Honestly Iike having less to monkey with when it comes to that. Too many variables! Just added more with aero.
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MCS dampers are awesome! I love their 2-way remote reservoir dampers. There's no comparison between MCS and KW dampers.
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Just checked, my rear 800lbs spring is 8". It should not drop the car too much right?

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Depending on tire/wheel set up and a little trimming of the fender liner you should not get any rubbing. I think that you can get an 800lb rear spring in a longer length than the 1000lb and you won't need the "spacer" setup on the upper perch.

I am running square 18x10 et25 with 275/35/18 NT-01s and get no rubbing. I have even run that setup with a 5 mil spacer with no issues.
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Just checked, my rear 800lbs spring is 8". It should not drop the car too much right?

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Depending on tire/wheel set up and a little trimming of the fender liner you should not get any rubbing. I think that you can get an 800lb rear spring in a longer length than the 1000lb and you won't need the "spacer" setup on the upper perch.

I am running square 18x10 et25 with 275/35/18 NT-01s and get no rubbing. I have even run that setup with a 5 mil spacer with no issues.
8" will result in a pretty solid drop, depending on how you set the height, etc. the wheel will be well tucked under the top of the fender arc. I think the 9" spring is more common, especially at that spring rate.
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MCS is a top line shock absorber. You are being steered in the right direction. However, if you are just driving on the street, this is overkill. If you intend to track your car too, MCS is what you want.
Mostly street driving but I want to track it now and then.
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