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      03-26-2010, 10:57 AM   #67
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I think it much more likely your friend has issues beyond anything he read from Ann Coulter. As Coulter is neither a racist or a xenophobe, it is unlikely he became one by reading her.
That point is irrelevant. What incited him were her words. Therefore they are not harmless. As far as neither a racist or xenophobe you must be joking. Whatever I'm done with this thread. Too much ignorance for me.
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That point is irrelevant. What incited him were her words. Therefore they are not harmless. As far as neither a racist or xenophobe you must be joking. Whatever I'm done with this thread. Too much ignorance for me.
I love when people run away when their assumptions are challenged rather than confront the challenge.

The phrase 'intellectual coward' comes to mind.
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There was no threat. This was a setup for publicity. Left wing suckers to the bait.

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2010/0...macdonald.html

"I actually interviewed Coulter once, six years ago, for the better part of an hour.

She had been writing extensively about liberal media bias and was promoting a new book. Therefore, she was available for a sit-down.

Like an earnest dope, I did my due diligence, gathering serious research on the subject and reading non-anecdotal evidence like polling data on journalistic attitudes.

Much of that suggested the media is a pretty bourgeois, fiscally conservative bunch with a deep tendency to genuflect to power and protect the status quo.

After some initial fencing, I started laying out my data and the citations, asking Coulter how it squared with her thesis that we're all socialist stooges.

She swatted it all aside, declaring herself uninterested in such facts and went on the attack. She might as well have called me a big stupid poopy pants. That's pretty much how the rest of the interview went.

After the cameras stopped, and before she hopped into her limo, she told me in a very endearing way that, really, I had to lighten up.

Basically, she was telling me, this is just theatre. Have some fun. Toodles."
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I love when people run away when their assumptions are challenged rather than confront the challenge.

The phrase 'intellectual coward' comes to mind.
I am not running away. I have said all I have to say. I gave an example and answer for each of your challenges of my statements. You have nothing more to say so you try to directly insult me? How very intellectual of you. You will keep quoting miscellaneous quotes you have been spoon fed over the years and think that makes you intelligent. Go drink the Ann Cunter kool-aid and have a nice day. (By the way I never have claimed to be an intellectual) some of us just have better things to do than argue on a forum all day.
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There was no threat. This was a setup for publicity. Left wing suckers to the bait.

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2010/0...macdonald.html

"I actually interviewed Coulter once, six years ago, for the better part of an hour.

She had been writing extensively about liberal media bias and was promoting a new book. Therefore, she was available for a sit-down.

Like an earnest dope, I did my due diligence, gathering serious research on the subject and reading non-anecdotal evidence like polling data on journalistic attitudes.

Much of that suggested the media is a pretty bourgeois, fiscally conservative bunch with a deep tendency to genuflect to power and protect the status quo.

After some initial fencing, I started laying out my data and the citations, asking Coulter how it squared with her thesis that we're all socialist stooges.

She swatted it all aside, declaring herself uninterested in such facts and went on the attack. She might as well have called me a big stupid poopy pants. That's pretty much how the rest of the interview went.

After the cameras stopped, and before she hopped into her limo, she told me in a very endearing way that, really, I had to lighten up.

Basically, she was telling me, this is just theatre. Have some fun. Toodles."
So what she is saying is she doesn't believe the bile she spews? Just for ratings at the expense of others.
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I am not running away. I have said all I have to say. I gave an example and answer for each of your challenges of my statements. You have nothing more to say so you try to directly insult me? How very intellectual of you. You will keep quoting miscellaneous quotes you have been spoon fed over the years and think that makes you intelligent. Go drink the Ann Cunter kool-aid and have a nice day. (By the way I never have claimed to be an intellectual) some of us just have better things to do than argue on a forum all day.
Did I miss the examples you provided to back up your accusation of racism and xenophobia?
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There was no threat. This was a setup for publicity. Left wing suckers to the bait.
There is nothing in this article to suggest there was no threat.
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shpirate87, go do some more reading or watch some news casts. The police -advised- her that it would not be wise to attend and that they cannot gaurantee nothing will happen if she does. And no, I'm not going to go browsing through to find the sources, go do it yourself.

Here's some quotes from another forum I read:
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Ann Coulter is coming to U of C on Thursday. These are some of her stupid comments:

--On Canada: "[Canadians] better hope the United States does not roll over one night and crush them. They are lucky we allow them to exist on the same continen"

On Gays and Healthcare: Current conservative government is not conservative enough as they still have same sex marriage and socialized medicine

NOTE: For all those wanting to attend, you must register by emailing calgary@coulterincanada.com if you want to get in the hall. However, even if your email does not get a reply, come out and protest outside the building. Tommorrow the temperature is supposed to get up to 15 degrees, so it shouldnt be too uncomfortable to protest outside

On voting rights: "It would be a much better country if women did not vote. That is simply a fact."

--On Liberals: "Liberals hate America, they hate flag-wavers, they hate abortion opponents, they hate all religions except Islam, post 9/11. Even Islamic terrorists don't hate America like liberals do. They don't have the energy. If they had that much energy, they'd have indoor plumbing by now."

--On terrorism: "We know who the homicidal maniacs are. They are the ones cheering and dancing right now. We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That's war. And this is war."

--On security: "If only we could get Muslims to boycott all airlines, we could dispense with airport security altogether." She also sad Muslims could use "flying carpets" to travel instead. When a Muslim female student called Coulter on that comment during one of her students, she told the student "to take a camel."

On Jews: "We just want Jews to be perfected ... That is what Christianity is ... that is what Christians consider themselves: perfected Jews."

--On Barack Obama before he became President: "It's shocking that ... he's probably going to be our next president, President Hussein" and "[h]is first big accomplishment" was "being born half-black. ... He wouldn't be running for president if he weren't half-black."
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"They're [Democrats] always accusing us of repressing their speech. I say let's do it. Let's repress them. Frankly, I'm not a big fan of the First Amendment." - October 2005

George W. Bush "The man responsible for keeping Americans safe from another terrorist attack on American soil for nearly seven years now will go down in history as one of America's greatest presidents." -June 2008

"We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity." -September 2001

"I think our motto should be, post-9-11, 'raghead talks tough, raghead faces consequences.' "- Nov 2006

"Bumper sticker idea for liberals: News magazines don't kill people, Muslims do." - May 2005

"It would be a much better country if women did not vote. That is simply a fact. In fact, in every presidential election since 1950 - except Goldwater in '64 - the Republican would have won, if only the men had voted. " -May 2003

"Canada has become trouble recently. It's always the worst Americans who go there. We could have taken them over so easy. But I only want the western part, with the ski areas, the cowboys, and the right wingers. They're the only good parts of Canada. "
Oh yeah shpirate87, I'm sooo suuuurreeee she is the one being attacked here. God what an idiot you are. She spews all this garbage from her mouth and you think she is the victim, hilarious.

Hey, take a look at the part where she states she isn't a fan of your guys' first amendment and how she is actually for repressing peoples freedom of speech. You should really research on who you want to defend before you get all high and mighty on a forum, you may end up looking like a retard.
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shpirate87, go do some more reading or watch some news casts. The police -advised- her that it would not be wise to attend and that they cannot gaurantee nothing will happen if she does. And no, I'm not going to go browsing through to find the sources, go do it yourself.

Here's some quotes from another forum I read:




Oh yeah shpirate87, I'm sooo suuuurreeee she is the one being attacked here. God what an idiot you are. She spews all this garbage from her mouth and you think she is the victim, hilarious.

Hey, take a look at the part where she states she isn't a fan of your guys' first amendment and how she is actually for repressing peoples freedom of speech. You should really research on who you want to defend before you get all high and mighty on a forum, you may end up looking like a retard.

Well done sir.

We are wasting our time with shpirate87.
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There is nothing in this article to suggest there was no threat.
if you do find out what these 'security concerns' were, please let us concerned canucks know. we dont want freedom of speech to be trampled or anything.

this is what i found:

Coulter was scheduled to speak before an audience gathered at the University of Ottawa’s Marion Hall Tuesday evening.

Instead, security concerns raised by the university kept the Republican firebrand from speaking.

Organizers pulled the plug on the speaking engagement because there were just too many people — too many of whom were just too rowdy.


http://www.ottawasun.com/news/ottawa...-13334351.html
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shpirate87, go do some more reading or watch some news casts. The police -advised- her that it would not be wise to attend and that they cannot gaurantee nothing will happen if she does. And no, I'm not going to go browsing through to find the sources, go do it yourself.

Oh yeah shpirate87, I'm sooo suuuurreeee she is the one being attacked here. God what an idiot you are. She spews all this garbage from her mouth and you think she is the victim, hilarious.

Hey, take a look at the part where she states she isn't a fan of your guys' first amendment and how she is actually for repressing peoples freedom of speech. You should really research on who you want to defend before you get all high and mighty on a forum, you may end up looking like a retard.
When the police tell you that they are concerned for your safety and the safety of others and that they do not believe it wise to proceed, there is a threat of violence.

None of the quotes you provided indicate either racism or xenophobia unless those terms have been redefined to the point of meaninglessness.

Whether or not she is a fan of the 1st Amendment and freedom of speech is irrelevant, I am and I will continue to defend it regardless of whether or not I agree with what is being said.
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I gave you examples of how her words are harmful and dangerous. As for the xenophobe and racism, I think KG810 post MORE than covers it. Between the generalization that all Muslims are murderers and calling them ragheads.
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I gave you examples of how her words are harmful and dangerous. As for the xenophobe and racism, I think KG810 post MORE than covers it. Between the generalization that all Muslims are murderers and calling them ragheads.
No, you gave me an unbelievable anecdote about how her writings supposedly warped the mind of a young impressionable young man. The Unabomber read Al Gore's book, does that mean Earth in the Balance is harmful?

None of the quotes provided are evidence of either racism or xenophobia.
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If you don't think that raghead is a racial slur, thus demonstrating racism, you are a terribly warped person AND a disgrace to mankind. Or that we should invade Muslim nations, wipe out their leaders, and convert them to Christianity.

Racism- –noun
1.a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.

How are these not two examples

"We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity." -September 2001

"I think our motto should be, post-9-11, 'raghead talks tough, raghead faces consequences.' "- Nov 2006

Seem pretty clear cut to me.
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Regardless of the threat of violence or not, she canceled the event.
She wasn't forced to.

That makes her a coward.

She silenced herself out of fear and hate, the very things she promotes.
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If you don't think that raghead is a racial slur, thus demonstrating racism, you are a terribly warped person AND a disgrace to mankind. Or that we should invade Muslim nations, wipe out their leaders, and convert them to Christianity.

Racism- –noun
1.a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.

How are these not two examples

"We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity." -September 2001

"I think our motto should be, post-9-11, 'raghead talks tough, raghead faces consequences.' "- Nov 2006

Seem pretty clear cut to me.
Maybe you do not know what a human race is? An ethnicity or nationality (Arab) is not a race. A religion (Muslim) is not a race.

To add to that, neither of the quotes states that we, by virtue of our race, are superior or entitled to rule over another race.

Does she believe Christianity is superior to Islam, yes. Every Christian does, that is why they are Christians.

Does she believe that western civilization is superior to Arab civilization, yes.

Neither of these beliefs is based on "who" the people in question are but what they believe and how they express those beliefs.

That is neither racist nor xenophobic.
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Maybe you do not know what a human race is? An ethnicity or nationality (Arab) is not a race. A religion (Muslim) is not a race.

To add to that, neither of the quotes states that we, by virtue of our race, are superior or entitled to rule over another race.

Does she believe Christianity is superior to Islam, yes. Every Christian does, that is why they are Christians.

Does she believe that western civilization is superior to Arab civilization, yes.

Neither of these beliefs is based on "who" the people in question are but what they believe and how they express those beliefs.

That is neither racist nor xenophobic.
Doesn't matter how you slice it, her statements are out of line in a public place. Some of her statements indeed may go against section 319 of the CC. Maybe you are more tolerant to crazy people having a public forum in the US, but in Canada we have to draw the line.
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Regardless of the threat of violence or not, she canceled the event.
She wasn't forced to.

That makes her a coward.

She silenced herself out of fear and hate, the very things she promotes.
Yupp, plain and simple really.
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Weak.

If she puts her crowd in danger (at times), then every controversial public speaker has put their crowd in danger at times.

"Officials" have told Obama that it's not safe to speak.
And Palin.
Hitler.
Richard Simmons.
The Pope.
The Pink Power Ranger.

Please.
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Ann Coulter is obviously a very angry woman. She is angry because she has desired for Obama to PIITB for years with no success.
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Ann Coulter is a horrible excuse for a human being. She needs to be hit by a car, dragged for miles, and left dead to rot and be eaten by animals. I really really hate that woman, more than words can express.
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