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      02-28-2010, 03:54 AM   #23
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hi,

now, from the characteristics I would say, stroke this engine. This will be $23K plus other hardware like charge pipe and enhanced throttle bodies plus installation. probably you end up with $30K. will provide 500 hp, safe.

my favourite supercharger would be g-power stage I ( 3psi only, intercooled ). provides 500 hp as well for $13 - 14K installed. tune has yet to justify to be reliable.

ecu-tune and some bolt-on hardware. This will provide 460 - 470 hp for $ 7-8K. basicly ecu-flash, at least high-flow primary catalysts, charge-pipe and filter, maybe other exhaust mods and / or pulley. tune should be reliable.

now, is it worth the additional 30 hp (BTW, the numbers are crank) to pay + $7K (g-power) or + $23K (dinan) to get them ? in general i tend to say the V8 in the M3 should keep natural aspirated. i also dislike the whining you can hear with ESS supercharger systems (youtube) and don't know about g-power noise emissions.

driving characteristics should be comparable to stock, just stronger.

what are your opinions ?

thanks for your feedback.

eugen.

I just wanted to add the following to your consideration.
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showpos...&postcount=699
This is over 130+whp increase for under $10K, which is very very nice!

As I have the ESS VT2-575 kit I agree with M33 regarding the sound of the S/C. You don't hear it from inside the car, but when you are near redline you can a little whine, which sounds cool, but the full Dinan exhaust is mostly what I hear! Hope this helps.



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Both ESS and Gintani customers have posted 60-130 times -- just not for 6MT -- they posted DCT times. But the companies themselves haven't really posted anything. Here's what I've seen on the forum. If I missed something, please be sure to add it to the list. (Remember, these are DCT times which should be about 1-1.1 seconds faster than 6MT.)

Customers:
  • (Gintani) Sammy Russo posted 8.94.
  • (ESS) BigLare posted 8.56

Companies:
  • (Gintani) I haven't seen anything from Gintani Company for 60-130.
  • (ESS) Roman posted 8.84 60-130.
Thanks for posting PG. I am trying to better my time, with some practice. I believe I have the fastest 60-130mph for a E9x M3 DCT!



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someone local or in the tri state area with a Vbox PM me , i'll see what mine does , On the BMW performance steering wheel i trap a 9 sec run with a passenger ( 210lbs) and a full tank of gas & trunk full of kitchen hardware weighing around 150 lbs ..
So im almost certain ill hit the high 8's

FYI im not buying one cause i just ordered 11k worth of goodies for the car ( stay tunned )
Yeah, get on those VBOX times.... Ha!

WHAT? $11K worth of goodies? Do tell or send us a teaser or something!!!



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      02-28-2010, 05:48 AM   #24
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I think the only downside is that the car heats up faster but that to me is about all.

I think everyone should get a S/C kit it makes the car way more fun.
I agree, it took me a while to be convinced! With good bolt ons and a tune, I had a really strong NA car but wanted more.
Eugene, are temps generally lower at your location as the G Power uses an air to air cooling system, and in hotter climates the ESS stage 2 with separate liquid intercooling woud be better, hence it being able to handle higher boost pressures and also not heat up like you said yours does?

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In my oppinion ESS tops G-Power!
from the research I have done this seems correct.

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how ? their stage I comes without intercooler, higher PSI ( > PSI = > heat ) and stage II will never have a chance to be homologated here ( in Switzerland stock power +20% is basicly fine, still has to be approved and i don't want to deal with regular checks, insurance- or street-legal issues ).
why do you have this homologation issue?


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FYI im not buying one cause i just ordered 11k worth of goodies for the car ( stay tunned )
cough up the info buddy...you sound about as sick as me

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This is over 130+whp increase for under $10K, which is very very nice!

WHAT? $11K worth of goodies? Do tell or send us a teaser or something!!!
yes teasers please
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      02-28-2010, 07:52 AM   #25
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I agree, it took me a while to be convinced! With good bolt ons and a tune, I had a really strong NA car but wanted more.
Eugene, are temps generally lower at your location as the G Power uses an air to air cooling system, and in hotter climates the ESS stage 2 with separate liquid intercooling woud be better, hence it being able to handle higher boost pressures and also not heat up like you said yours does?

My cruising Temp. is quite low its when I really push the car is warms up quite fast but also cool very fast as well.

But ESS better then G-pwr I don't really understand where that came from or how is was compared
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My cruising Temp. is quite low its when I really push the car is warms up quite fast but also cool very fast as well.

But ESS better then G-pwr I don't really understand where that came from or how is was compared
Come on now Eugene, don't make me list all the reasons for you.
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Our supercharger kits run very quiet in person. The Vortech V3 blower operates quiet inside and outside of the car.
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powerchip stage 3?
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powerchip stage 3?
Powerchip Stage 1 = Original Powerchip Tune (+20WHP)
Powerchip Stage 2 = Original Powerchip Tune + Emissions CEL removed (+20WHP)
Powerchip Stage 3 = New Powerchip Tune (+40WHP on 98RON)
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People dont get the whine twisted , its minimal and @ idle , there is absolutly no sound while cruising , light load & full throttle !
I look at it this way , its an invitation to open up the hood and display some beauty
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People dont get the whine twisted , its minimal and @ idle , there is absolutly no sound while cruising , light load & full throttle !
I look at it this way , its an invitation to open up the hood and display some beauty
Agreed, the V3 S-Trim and V2 T-Trim are nice and quiet.
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People dont get the whine twisted , its minimal and @ idle , there is absolutly no sound while cruising , light load & full throttle !
I look at it this way , its an invitation to open up the hood and display some beauty
I know what you spent 11k on...
brembos and an Akrapovic Evo System? If not that's what you should have spent it on
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Yeah it definitely sounds suspect based upon what you've seen...

Here's a graph of Mass Air Flow vs Engine RPM for the same two comparisons (stock vs Powerchip Stage III + Envy Charge Pipe + Scoops + BMC Filter) which tells a similar story - basically 15% more air flow at redline...

Note the Y axis is the raw output of the Bavarian Tech tool - not sure what formula is used to convert this to a measurement unit such as g/s or similar, but the most important thing here is the comparison between stock and modified...

How did you manage to log mass airflow?
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How did you manage to log mass airflow?
You mean on a speed/density system

There is a parameter in the Bavarian Tech tool called "Air mass flow bank 1 and bank 2"...pretty sure the units logged by Bavarian Technic tool are kg/h multiplied by 10...
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I know what you spent 11k on...
brembos and an Akrapovic Evo System? If not that's what you should have spent it on
Brembos Yes, but pass in the Akrapovic System. Don't get me wrong it looks great, but doesn't make as much power as some others. Sorry, BobMG, just stating my opinion based on feedback from someone in AZ that has tested several exhaust systems including the Akra.



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You mean on a speed/density system

There is a parameter in the Bavarian Tech tool called "Air mass flow bank 1 and bank 2"...pretty sure the units logged by Bavarian Technic tool are kg/h multiplied by 10...
Ok, must be calculated airflow.
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Powerchip Stage 1 = Original Powerchip Tune (+20WHP)
Powerchip Stage 2 = Original Powerchip Tune + Emissions CEL removed (+20WHP)
Powerchip Stage 3 = New Powerchip Tune (+40WHP on 98RON)
wow i was never informed of this new stage, was it just recently released? what changes were made to achieve another 20WHP?

also if im not mistaken 98RON is equivalent to 93 in the U.S. right?
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