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      02-12-2010, 03:01 PM   #67
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Call me unenlightened, but if the "Auto Start Stop Function" is on the US-bound 2011, I'm canceling the order I placed earlier this week.

I currently own both E36 and E46 M3's, and don't need more opportunities for electronic fails on my car. If my car is going to shut down, I'm going to be doing it.

I hope BMW USA is listening.
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      02-12-2010, 03:03 PM   #68
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That's the 6MT, but what about the DCT? You don't have any control over the clutch.
But you can still put the car into neutral, in which case it will automatically let the clutch out.

Not sure if that is the only way Start/Stop kicks in on a DCT car, but it would make sense.
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      02-12-2010, 03:07 PM   #69
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That's the 6MT, but what about the DCT? You don't have any control over the clutch.
Brake, put it in neutral and then release the brake I guess.

Don't know if BMW's with an automatic gearbox already have the Auto Start Stop function.
Maybe it's only for the 6MT ...
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      02-12-2010, 03:08 PM   #70
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But you can still put the car into neutral, in which case it will automatically let the clutch out.

Not sure if that is the only way Start/Stop kicks in on a DCT car, but it would make sense.
Both times I've driven a DCT M3, in D mode, you come to a complete stop, let off the brake and you sit there, no rolling forward. I'm assuming the car is put in neutral for you with some sort of brake engaged? Then you hit the gas and go.

I'm hoping this is just fear of the unknown and that once the details come out I will be put at rest, but having just placed an order for an ED E90 M3, I'm concerned with this auto start stop possibly being forced upon me.
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Not sure about the Auto Start Stop Function function, but from doing a little digging:



As long as I can permanently disable it if I don't like it, I don't mind them including it.
weird i would think that this would be worse for the gas miles and what not. man i kinda like the rear cf trunk spoiler, i would def be looking into the competion pack when it comes time to buy a m3
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      02-12-2010, 03:25 PM   #72
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We don't know for sure yet. This press release is the International Version, so the US might not see this start/stop feature.


Yes, it can be deactivated via a button found in the center console (between the heated seat buttons in pre 2011 cars).


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Not to nitpick but the seat heater buttons are up with the HVAC controls as of MY2010. So this Start/Stop Disable button would be down with the rear window shade button. Seems a lot of subtle changes made it into MY2010.
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      02-12-2010, 03:27 PM   #73
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I read somewhere that the EPA does not use the Start/Stop feature in their testing and calculations yet...
I thought that it was that the testing cycle didn't favor it. In other words the test cycle doesn't include a truly representative amount of stopped idling that I in Southern California might experience for example in freeway traffic.
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      02-12-2010, 03:27 PM   #74
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According to mapezzul, the Start/Stop is EU only.

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      02-12-2010, 03:28 PM   #75
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One other thing - it is very unlikely the US M3 would get start/stop because the United States EPA test does not "give credit" for start stop - the test they use apparently doesn't have that many stops, or perhaps none at all - I am not entirely certain.

Of course start stop would raise your actual mileage, assuming you use it, but this doesn't help the window sticker or help BMW NA reduce their fines.

I suspect the European test does give reasonable credit for start stop or else the technology wouldn't be on various BMW models.

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+1. I should have read further before chiming in with a ditto (above).
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Call me unenlightened, but if the "Auto Start Stop Function" is on the US-bound 2011, I'm canceling the order I placed earlier this week.

I currently own both E36 and E46 M3's, and don't need more opportunities for electronic fails on my car. If my car is going to shut down, I'm going to be doing it.

I hope BMW USA is listening.
It can be disabled. The US may not include auto stop/start in its EPA testing yet, but as I stated before, manufacturers have to address the stricter mileage and emissions requirements, sports cars included. We're only going to see more and more technology like this included on future products whether we like it or not.

I'm not sure we'll see it in the US just yet, but we most likely will someday.
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      02-12-2010, 03:32 PM   #77
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Brake, put it in neutral and then release the brake I guess.

Don't know if BMW's with an automatic gearbox already have the Auto Start Stop function.
Maybe it's only for the 6MT ...
It is for both DCT and 6MT according to this summary. This is the first DCT application, apparently. Previously the only other non-manual applications were the ActiveHybrid 7 and X6.
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      02-12-2010, 03:35 PM   #78
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not really feeling anything on it besides the wheels.. id still rather get a comfortably loaded used m3 and just make it my own creation
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      02-12-2010, 03:41 PM   #79
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Not to nitpick but the seat heater buttons are up with the HVAC controls as of MY2010. So this Start/Stop Disable button would be down with the rear window shade button. Seems a lot of subtle changes made it into MY2010.
You're right, I changed my post to MY 2010.


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      02-12-2010, 03:51 PM   #80
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..the tail lights are "Glass" ... are other E92 varaiants glass?

the tail lights look 3-D... different from the E92/E93 LCI..

Just my eyes ~Frost
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      02-12-2010, 03:52 PM   #81
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Thanks for the info. Still not feeling this competition package though...
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..the tail lights are "Glass" ... are other E92 varaiants glass?

the tail lights look 3-D... different from the E92/E93 LCI..

Just my eyes ~Frost
Glass lenses are a non-US thing. Have to remember that this was the BMW AG announcement. BMW NA will very likely vary from this in detail.
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front spoiler just looke like performance ones on regular 3ers M package....

I am sorry BMW designers, rear spoiler just doesn't look good at all............

CSL wheels dont look as nice as expected as well, would look much better if they are in black..

10mm drop is nothing, but still noticable on my Edition Model.
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I thought a ZCP splitter would be a GTS replica, a bit disappointed.
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..the tail lights are "Glass" ... are other E92 varaiants glass?

the tail lights look 3-D... different from the E92/E93 LCI..

Just my eyes ~Frost
I expect them to be identical. That detail most certainly is just the result of a bad translation.


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i like the spoiler as well but i agree with everyone on the splitter...no bueno
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I don't know if that's MCB or another blue, but: I like. I WANT. that color

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yeah I don't like that
wouldn't that put additional wear on your engine?
I'd be much more concerned about the starter

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I expect them to be identical. That detail most certainly is just the result of a bad translation.
glass lenses would be cool but I can't imagine that they exist
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