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      03-01-2015, 08:38 AM   #1
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Need help Need comfort

My car is E90 M3 with EDC and without ZCP. The roads I drive are very bad and the car feels very harsh always.
How can I make the car softer and more comfy?

PS: I have 19" stock wheels and do not want to change to 18".

Please help guys you are experts here.

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Is your EDC set to comfort ?
You can set your EDC also just off .
You can try to reduce the tire pressure...
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      03-01-2015, 09:01 AM   #3
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Is your EDC set to comfort ?
You can set your EDC also just off .
You can try to reduce the tire pressure...
My EDC is lights off, is it the comfort mode?
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My EDC is lights off, is it the comfort mode?
Advice... It's better that you read your manual of the car .
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Yes, EDC lights off = comfort mode. One light = normal, two lights = sport
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Is your EDC set to comfort ?
You can set your EDC also just off .
You can try to reduce the tire pressure...
You can't just turn EDC off.... well, other than setting them to Sport mode on non-ZCP cars so they operate at a fixed damping rate, but that will be much harsher.

OP, setting EDC to comfort and maybe taking 2 PSI out of your tires is about all you can do easily. Switching tire brand may help a bit. The Conti ExtremeContact DW (not DWS) is apparently more comfy than PSS, though people say the handling feel and performance aren't as good, or the Michelin Pilot Sport A/S 3 might be worth a look if you want/need all-seasons. Past that, you'd be looking at swapping springs and shocks. I've read that Eibach springs can increase both comfort AND performance due to their non-linear design, and Bilstein now has dampers that actually work with EDC -- they don't just fake out the computer, they're actually adjustable with the EDC button. Apparently those also increase both comfort and performance, and they pair well with the Eibach springs.

If you don't want to do that or do it and still aren't satisfied, I don't know of any mods for this car targeted purely at increasing comfort because there just wouldn't be a market for that, and in fact the E9x M3 particularly with Comfort EDC mode is already one of the (if not THE) most comfortable cars of its time for the performance it offers. You can maybe do better by spending a lot more on an F10 M5, F8x M3/4, 991 911 (not GT3 obviously) with non-Sport PASM, or an MP4-12C/650S with its magical suspension that can turn it into a Rolls-Royce on the road, but otherwise if you want this type of performance there's a limit to how much comfort you can have/expect.

Maybe this just isn't the right car for you?
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Hey, Happy(?)Man,

sorry to hear the ride is too harsh for your roads. If you need to rebuilt it to a non M to make it work, I tend to agree this might not be the car for you mate.
Me, I just love the stiff ride which is one of the reasons I'm spending piles on a M.

Ps. Why would you stay away from 18"? Sounds like a good alternative in your case bro.
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My car is E90 M3 with EDC and without ZCP. The roads I drive are very bad and the car feels very harsh always.
How can I make the car softer and more comfy?

PS: I have 19" stock wheels and do not want to change to 18".

Please help guys you are experts here.

Thanks
Which tires do you have?

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Is your EDC set to comfort ?
You can set your EDC also just off .
You can try to reduce the tire pressure...
You can't just turn EDC off.... well, other than setting them to Sport mode on non-ZCP cars so they operate at a fixed damping rate, but that will be much harsher.

OP, setting EDC to comfort and maybe taking 2 PSI out of your tires is about all you can do easily. Switching tire brand may help a bit. The Conti ExtremeContact DW (not DWS) is apparently more comfy than PSS, though people say the handling feel and performance aren't as good, or the Michelin Pilot Sport A/S 3 might be worth a look if you want/need all-seasons. Past that, you'd be looking at swapping springs and shocks. I've read that Eibach springs can increase both comfort AND performance due to their non-linear design, and Bilstein now has dampers that actually work with EDC -- they don't just fake out the computer, they're actually adjustable with the EDC button. Apparently those also increase both comfort and performance, and they pair well with the Eibach springs.

If you don't want to do that or do it and still aren't satisfied, I don't know of any mods for this car targeted purely at increasing comfort because there just wouldn't be a market for that, and in fact the E9x M3 particularly with Comfort EDC mode is already one of the (if not THE) most comfortable cars of its time for the performance it offers. You can maybe do better by spending a lot more on an F10 M5, F8x M3/4, 991 911 (not GT3 obviously) with non-Sport PASM, or an MP4-12C/650S with its magical suspension that can turn it into a Rolls-Royce on the road, but otherwise if you want this type of performance there's a limit to how much comfort you can have/expect.

Maybe this just isn't the right car for you?
I appreciate your time and effort helping me out here bro.
This car is the right car for me. Any M is the right car for me.
I always dreamed to have an M car and now I have it. I really enjoy the ride of this car. But when I am with my kids and wife and on those horrible roads it gets very annoying.
I am ready to spend a good amount of money to some suspension mod which at the press of a button can transform it into a comfy car.
Regarding Bilstein do you have any info from the user who actually have those Bilsteins? If it works I am gonna purchase it straight away and be happy))
I am on stock tires Michelin PS 2.
I was thinking of Conti extreme contact DWS, but you say DW. DWS is a very nice tire though.
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Hey, Happy(?)Man,

sorry to hear the ride is too harsh for your roads. If you need to rebuilt it to a non M to make it work, I tend to agree this might not be the car for you mate.
Me, I just love the stiff ride which is one of the reasons I'm spending piles on a M.

Ps. Why would you stay away from 18"? Sounds like a good alternative in your case bro.
Hey bro I love this car and I always dreamed to have an M car.
Just searching for a suspension mod which can at a press of a button transform the car to a comfy mode. I am ready to spend a good amount of money. Do you know any? KW or Bilstein?
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My car is E90 M3 with EDC and without ZCP. The roads I drive are very bad and the car feels very harsh always.
How can I make the car softer and more comfy?

PS: I have 19" stock wheels and do not want to change to 18".

Please help guys you are experts here.

Thanks
Which tires do you have?

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Is it true that Michelin PSS is more comfy than PS 2 ?
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      03-01-2015, 01:35 PM   #14
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You must have some awful roads out there, that sucks. I wouldn't mess with the suspension if you're looking for more comfort. I've only messed with springs before but all of them firmed up the ride more than stock. Personally, if I were trying to squeeze in maybe a hair more comfort I'd give 18" wheels with DW's a shot first. I tried DWS's on my old e46 and surprisingly found them noisier than my worn PS2's.
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Is it true that Michelin PSS is more comfy than PS 2 ?
I really didn't notice more "comfort" with PSS's. A quieter and smoother ride but then again, that's going from worn tires to brand new. Honestly, I doubt just a tire change is going to get you where you want to be. PS2's are a nice tire.
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Is it true that Michelin PSS is more comfy than PS 2 ?
No , PSS is more harsh than PS2 .
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No , PSS is more harsh than PS2 .
Are they now? Had PSS put on the other day, from PS2, can't wait on trying them out! Well, soon as the Winter goes away that is. Trying to enjoy my PA3's mean while...

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Drive the car for a couple of weeks exclusively in EDC set to sport. Driving in Comfy mode afterwards will totally seem acceptable.
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Actually don't feel THAT much difference between the EDC setting. Yes less rolling when turning and yes Sport is really stiff but again pretty stiff/nice even in Comfort and not much difference going Normal. Haven't tryed another but I assume mine works as it should...?
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Are they now? Had PSS put on the other day, from PS2, can't wait on trying them out! Well, soon as the Winter goes away that is. Trying to enjoy my PA3's mean while...
The PSS is best road tire for our cars on the market !
It's all about the "Twaron" and compound technology .
Once PSS always PSS ! And here is why...

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What about Bilstein heavy duty shocks? Anyone tried?
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How many miles on the car?
A worn out suspension will ride crappy too.
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