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      11-22-2009, 02:35 PM   #1
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So i have a 335 and am thinking of joining the m3 club my only concern is you see dynos here at 320whp and on e90posts for 335s you see dynos at 380whp (with mods) consistantly, I understand that dynos can vary, so does anyone have stock 1/4mile times? i wanna know if it will be in the low or mid 12s (stock m3 coupe)? please let me know know your thoughts thanks
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So i have a 335 and am thinking of joining the m3 club my only concern is you see dynos here at 320whp and on e90posts for 335s you see dynos at 380whp (with mods) consistantly, I understand that dynos can vary, so does anyone have stock 1/4mile times? i wanna know if it will be in the low or mid 12s (stock m3 coupe)? please let me know know your thoughts thanks
if u care that much about flat-out speed, i would stick with the 335i; it has so much more affordable and many more options in the performance tuning department. And yes, the type of dyno used greatly affects the number, some show in the 320s others significantly higher.
stock to stock: m3 is faster, but the minute you start comparing modded to stock it gets more difficult.
If money isnt an option, get an m3 and mod away.
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      11-22-2009, 04:23 PM   #3
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There have been soooooo many threads on this...M3> 335 for handling and overall car, however the 335 does have more potential for more HP.
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      11-22-2009, 05:40 PM   #4
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yes but how much more power does the 335 have then the m3 like 50whp?
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      11-22-2009, 05:49 PM   #5
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Dude, no offense but do your homework. There are literally 100's of threads on this. It is a big purchase so read up! Especially coming from a 335 convertible you won't be able to compare it to an e90 or e92 M3. Take it for a test drive and feel the difference for yourself.
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Dude, no offense but do your homework. There are literally 100's of threads on this. It is a big purchase so read up! Especially coming from a 335 convertible you won't be able to compare it to an e90 or e92 M3. Take it for a test drive and feel the difference for yourself.
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      11-22-2009, 05:57 PM   #7
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ok will do just wanted to see what you guys had to say
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If all you're concerned about is HP/torque and straight line speed, I would get the C63.
Since it already has the big V8 in the MB entire lineup, unleashing more HP is simply an ECU tune (although I understand it is not cheap).
Not to mention the C63 has handling that is close to the M3...
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      11-22-2009, 06:02 PM   #9
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ya huh well speed is important but not everything
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      11-22-2009, 06:13 PM   #10
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Here are some M3 vs 335i threads, you might want to take a look first. Lots of threads and replies on this topic already. No pun intended.

chipped 335i as fast as M3?
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=142048

STOP TALKING ABOUT 335i vs M3 FFS !!
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=194869

BMW M3 vs 335i
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=275334

335 vs M3
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=130273

335i vs 2008 M3
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=182461

M3 vs 335i
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=63669

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It took me a while being on these boards to finally understand the mentality coming from the group that mod their 3-series rides and compares it to M3's.

It took a good friend to point out:

- once BMW decided to go the turbo route, all the modders from the jap brands came over to 'roundel'
- its a social/economic class thing. People in leased 335 with mods think they match the cachet of a M3 (in power, class, etc.). They don't understand that there is a reason for a 335 and a M3 in the line-up, and one is a higher-end product compared to the other.

Example, no base 911 owner would ever say their car is equal to a 911 GT3 - no matter what they did to mod it. And yes both cars are fundamentally the same car starting out. But they are at two different levels. But for some reason, some guy who puts money into a 335 car, thinks he made the equal of an DIY M3.

Strange.
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Keep the 335i - if you are unsure about getting an M3 then don't get it.
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i had a 335 and it was a fast car handled great. but absolutely no comparison to the m3 M3 is in a different universe! what a machine and the ride is also so much better. that 335 took bumps like the front end was going to fall off. it really is super car vs entry level. and i wont even get into the fuel pump problems. 6 times in the shop in 6 weeks. now you know why im driving an m3 and not a 335 anymore.
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awesome thank you, and you didnt regret loosing all that tq like even a bolt on 335 with a chip has 120wtq on an m3 easily with still more whp like i really wanna be convinced on the m3 thats why im asking you guys so please let me know with out critiscm thanks
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      11-22-2009, 09:21 PM   #14
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awesome thank you, and you didnt regret loosing all that tq like even a bolt on 335 with a chip has 120wtq on an m3 easily with still more whp like i really wanna be convinced on the m3 thats why im asking you guys so please let me know with out critiscm thanks
Have you test-driven the M3 yet?
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      11-22-2009, 09:25 PM   #15
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no i havent but i also havent put all the mods on the 335 yet so its not a fair comparison to test drive the m3 without test drivin a modded 335 hence me asking you guys here
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no i havent but i also havent put all the mods on the 335 yet so its not a fair comparison to test drive the m3 without test drivin a modded 335 hence me asking you guys here
I'm making the switch to 2010 fully loaded E90M DCT pretty soon as well, coming from 07 E92 335i with JB3 on MAP7, I can say that you would be disappointed with the M low-end power. However, straight line performance shouldn't be a consideration when buying the M. There are whole bunch of other fast cars that can be had at half the M price. It all depends what you after.
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Mostly M3s stock dyno in the 340 - 350 wheel HP region and not 320 wheel HP. With bolt-ons and tune, 390 - 400 whp.

Yes, there are the 320 - 330 wheel HP dynos, but there are many variables at play making it an apples to oranges comparison. I am sure on those dynos, the 335 will be no higher than 250 - 260 wheel HP. To make it truly apples to apples, put them on the same dyno on the same day. Then you have a comparison.
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Mostly M3s stock dyno in the 340 - 350 wheel HP region and not 320 wheel HP. With bolt-ons and tune, 390 - 400 whp.

Yes, there are the 320 - 330 wheel HP dynos, but there are many variables at play making it an apples to oranges comparison. I am sure on those dynos, the 335 will be no higher than 250 - 260 wheel HP. To make it truly apples to apples, put them on the same dyno on the same day. Then you have a comparison.
The stock N54s dynos are in 260/280 range, depending on the gas, temps, dyno. It's the super early TQ that makes the 335 faster from the get-go. I have test drove the broken in M-DCT thoroughly numerous times on the highest/firmest settings, and it's get-up from a dead stop has been less then impressive if comparing to my 335i with JB3 MAP7. Still I'm in love with M and making the switch, as it has been my childhood dream.
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It is only fair to compare a modded JB3 to a modded 400 wheel HP M3 with "only" bolt-ons and tune. You know it will not even be close much like stock to stock.

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The stock N54s dynos are in 260/280 range, depending on the gas, temps, dyno. It's the super early TQ that makes the 335 faster from the get-go. I have test drove the broken in M-DCT thoroughly numerous times on the highest/firmest settings, and it's get-up from a dead stop has been less then impressive if comparing to my 335i with JB3 MAP7. Still I'm in love with M and making the switch, as it has been my childhood dream.
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The stock N54s dynos are in 260/280 range, depending on the gas, temps, dyno. It's the super early TQ that makes the 335 faster from the get-go. I have test drove the broken in M-DCT thoroughly numerous times on the highest/firmest settings, and it's get-up from a dead stop has been less then impressive if comparing to my 335i with JB3 MAP7. Still I'm in love with M and making the switch, as it has been my childhood dream.
Ya huh its still a 414 hp car! shouldnt that alone be impressive? is it the low tq that really hurts it?
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It is only fair to compare a modded JB3 to a modded 400 wheel HP M3 with "only" bolt-ons and tune. You know it will not even be close much like stock to stock.
Maybe not, but story changes with JB3 vs stock M, The DCT is a huge plus on the M side.
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Ya huh its still a 414 hp car! shouldnt that alone be impressive? is it the low tq that really hurts it?
It does. If you considering doing hwy pulls to 200km/h and above, the M def. has an advantage over 335. If you talking about regular daily commute with seldom stop light gunning then 335 it is.
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