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      11-26-2009, 02:03 PM   #23
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I've got the Hankook Ventus Evo's on my 997S and they are absolutely fantastic. Got the entire set for $700 shipped. No bullsh!t here -- they are 99% the tire of the PS2's that are on my stock wheels but a good bit QUIETER. I wouldn't doubt for a second of getting them again.
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I've got the Hankook Ventus Evo's on my 997S and they are absolutely fantastic. Got the entire set for $700 shipped. No bullsh!t here -- they are 99% the tire of the PS2's that are on my stock wheels but a good bit QUIETER. I wouldn't doubt for a second of getting them again.
The Hankooks (not sure if these are the same) actually tested close to the Dunlops and PS2s in a tire test. I think they came up short in the wet.

I can tell you that the Dunlops are very good in the wet.
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255/35-19 (front) and 275/35-19 (rear), as they run a tad smaller than OEM PS2s. The plus size will put you in the middle of same-sized PS2s and the OEM size (245/35 and 265/35).
Will the Vreds in the 255 and 275 size fit on the OEM 19" rims without a problem? Also, have you have any issues with DSC/ABS with a different size configuration? Thanks
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Guys, would 275 front and 295 rear give the same OEM handling characteristics but with more grip?
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The Hankooks (not sure if these are the same) actually tested close to the Dunlops and PS2s in a tire test. I think they came up short in the wet.

I can tell you that the Dunlops are very good in the wet.
Based on that C&D article, I bought the Hankooks. I was looking tires that had better dry traction than PS2s, while staying quiet (RE11 and AD08 are louder Edit: though clearly not in the same class) and maintaining ride quality on 19" wheels. If Dunlop had the Star available in 19" it would be a no brainer, but they don't.

So far, after about 500 miles on the hankooks, I find them quieter and softer riding. Hard to say if there is more traction, my PS2s turned to wood once they hit the wearbars. The most serious downside IMO is the slightly reduced responsiveness, likely a trade-off of the softer ride. Unacceptable on this car.
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Becareful if you are lowered and have aggresive offsets. The Dunlops have a huge sidewall and can cause rubbing (trust me).
I have to get tires and that's a good point I didn't consider, should I STAY with the PS2's because of my drop, they fit perfectly.
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Ok so I'm new to this, so where are you guys buying these tires from? I don't think I'm the only one who wants to know.

So far the 4 I see mentioned (below) I cannot find on Tirerack.com, Discounttires.com, nor Big O Tires.

Now granted I'm searching by vehicle so maybe this is the problem but I need them to fit my oem 19" wheels. I dunno but I was curious since no one said where they got any of these.



1) Vredestein Ultrac Sessanta
2) Advan AD08 (Yokohama's right?)
3) Hankook Ventus Evo's
4) Dunlop Star Spec


I'd really love to see some pics of someones M3 with the Vredestein Ultrac Sessanta's on it. I think these are what I'm leaning towards.

so if I get the rears with 275 instead of oem 265, is that going to make the sidewalls "bluge" out more than the OEM Michelins? Right now with Michelins if you look at them from the front or back, the side wall is pretty much straight up and down (from top of rim to top of tire). is 275 going to make that more rounded out or will it still maintain that straight sidewal profile?
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I also want quieter and longer-lasting tires, but want exactly OEM 19" sizes, and can't find any (the rears are especially hard to find). And same with a step below summer max performance, which is overkill for my kind of driving. Will keep looking while finishing off the PS2s.

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Ok so I'm new to this, so where are you guys buying these tires from? I don't think I'm the only one who wants to know.

So far the 4 I see mentioned (below) I cannot find on Tirerack.com, Discounttires.com, nor Big O Tires.

Now granted I'm searching by vehicle so maybe this is the problem but I need them to fit my oem 19" wheels. I dunno but I was curious since no one said where they got any of these.



1) Vredestein Ultrac Sessanta
2) Advan AD08 (Yokohama's right?)
3) Hankook Ventus Evo's
4) Dunlop Star Spec


I'd really love to see some pics of someones M3 with the Vredestein Ultrac Sessanta's on it. I think these are what I'm leaning towards.

so if I get the rears with 275 instead of oem 265, is that going to make the sidewalls "bluge" out more than the OEM Michelins? Right now with Michelins if you look at them from the front or back, the side wall is pretty much straight up and down (from top of rim to top of tire). is 275 going to make that more rounded out or will it still maintain that straight sidewal profile?
I got mine from Performance Plus Tire. www.performanceplustire.com Quick delivery about $80.00 to ship.
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255/35-19 (front) and 275/35-19 (rear), as they run a tad smaller than OEM PS2s. The plus size will put you in the middle of same-sized PS2s and the OEM size (245/35 and 265/35).

Does anyone know the tread wear for these tires? The price difference is huge!
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Does anyone know the tread wear for these tires? The price difference is huge!
280 IIRC
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Does anyone know the tread wear for these tires? The price difference is huge!
280 vs 220 for the PS2.
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I replaced PS2s with Goodyear F1 Assymetricos on my 335, at Tire Rack's recommendation, and I've been happy with them. 90% of the performance for 70% of the cost. Like OP, I live in the flat Midwest where canyon-carving is just the stuff of dreams. I have another set of rims/tires for the track, where ultimate handling behavior and traction really matter.
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great info here guys.

how about the conti's sc3? they are about $400/set cheaper compare to ps2's. i think the new ///m's have them as stock now right?
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Anyone have pictures of the Vreds on their car?
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I will as soon as my RACs arrive! Right now, they're stacked in the garage awaiting the arrival of the new wheels.
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I will as soon as my RACs arrive! Right now, they're stacked in the garage awaiting the arrival of the new wheels.
Well send us some pictures of the tires anyway!

I pretty sure I'll be geting the Vred's, though I notice it's hard to fine places that sell them.

Anyone used "Group A Wheels" before? I see they sell the Vred's and they have a shop in the Phoenix area, where I'll be moving to soon.

If I order tires online, how much do places usually charge to install them? I'm kind of new to this all, I usually just by the cheap stuff at the dealer and have them install it, but that was when I had cheap cars.
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Update on the Hankooks. Pretty much terrible in cold rain, to the point I wouldn't send my wife out in the car. Dammit. C&D must have been sent some Korean concubines for that tire shootout.
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Update on the Hankooks. Pretty much terrible in cold rain, to the point I wouldn't send my wife out in the car. Dammit. C&D must have been sent some Korean concubines for that tire shootout.


Here's my theory:

You should know that almost everything involving cars and korean companies (hyundai, hankook for example) are pretty much copies of Japanese companies who generally copy German companies.

Take the Genesis for example. Looks like an LS430 which takes a lot of cues from the E65 7 series and MB S class, bangle butt included.

In this copy of a copy formula, something is lost in the translation of the translation...hence the poor handling in cold, wet conditions.

Even the new Kia Forte (small hatch in Korea) looks really close to a Honda Civic.
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Here's my theory:

You should know that almost everything involving cars and korean companies (hyundai, hankook for example) are pretty much copies of Japanese companies who generally copy German companies.

Take the Genesis for example. Looks like an LS430 which takes a lot of cues from the E65 7 series and MB S class, bangle butt included.

In this copy of a copy formula, something is lost in the translation of the translation...hence the poor handling in cold, wet conditions.

Even the new Kia Forte (small hatch in Korea) looks really close to a Honda Civic.
You may be on to something. When I was at Hockenheimring a few years ago for a public track day (that was closed) I stumbled into a party Mercedes was holding (two Americans driving a 997, they didn't even ask who I was). They clearly had what I would characterize as "track ho's" flirting and hanging off the suites. Definitely something for the Japanese and then the Koreans to emulate...perhaps this is what happened at the C&D shootout. While the team was not looking they (the "track-ho" emulators) were spraying Pam on the competitors' tires.
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I replaced PS2s with Goodyear F1 Assymetricos on my 335, at Tire Rack's recommendation, and I've been happy with them. 90% of the performance for 70% of the cost. Like OP, I live in the flat Midwest where canyon-carving is just the stuff of dreams. I have another set of rims/tires for the track, where ultimate handling behavior and traction really matter.
I did the exact same thing. The Goodyears are a great value, but are not unidirectional (they can be flipped). Even in OEM sizes, they are slighly narrower thant he OEM PS2s. This might be where some performance is lost, but gas mileage is improved.
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