Moment of Truth - Gintani / Powerchip Dyno Results

TOOMANYCARS · 11-17-2009, 01:08 AM

Nice exhaust video, this should help some folks out in selecting what they want.

H Bomb · 11-17-2009, 01:08 AM

Nawaaz yours sounded the sickest in that video. that volume the no cats adds is awesome. that is how mine sounded once i added the midpipe such a sick sound and so much more power.

was something wrong with that meister car?? it sounded like something was rattling on it. maybe he had a hanger loose??

H Bomb · 11-17-2009, 01:10 AM

+1 couldn't agree more. videos do no justice. mine sounds so much better in person then when i hear it on video

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Originally Posted by xxe92xx

videos dont do justice! the camera cant record that high of a sound, that goes for both the Gintani and the GT2

i have a few vids of the GT2 catless, let me know what you think!

too bad i couldnt have joined you guys down in texas, i would have loved to be apart of the comparison

Nawaaz · 11-17-2009, 01:17 AM

It's no biggie, but my 2nd dyno chart does not show the rpm range. Therefore, here's the one which shows it:

mixja · 11-17-2009, 01:33 AM

Nawaaz - did you get the new Powerchip tune?

I have seen the dyno for it and it makes +40WHP when applied to the stock car (i.e. no other mods).

Nawaaz · 11-17-2009, 01:38 AM

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Originally Posted by mixja

Nawaaz - did you get the new Powerchip tune?

I have seen the dyno for it and it makes +40WHP when applied to the stock car (i.e. no other mods).

I believe Powerchip gave me their latest tune when they came over to Houston, TX this past weekend.

I just got it done on the 14th of November, so I guess I'm in good shape.

mixja · 11-17-2009, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Nawaaz

I believe Powerchip gave me their latest tune when they came over to Houston, TX this past weekend.

I just got it done on the 14th of November, so I guess I'm in good shape.

Possibly - it may not have been released for the US market yet - it is available internationally though....

BTW congrats - very good results - massive gains from the bolt-on mods...

I'll be doing a similar write up early December although based upon measured torque values output from ECU diagnostics as I've found they look to be quite accurate.

mixja · 11-17-2009, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by TLud

That third dyno chart really highlights exactly why the Powerchip tune is such a must. Yeah, it gave you a good bump in power, but even more impressive is how flat and smooth your curves are afterward. The smoothness of the power delivery post-tune is absolutely amazing. I witnessed how much time Jeremy put into getting your tune just right, and it looks like it definitely paid off.

Your car is a freakin' scary beast, Nawaaz. Enjoy it and stay safe!

+1 - just noticed that looking at the graphs properly - that is a really nice tune...

spicoli024 · 11-17-2009, 01:57 AM

F yea Nawaaz, Great job! All your hard research paid off, congrats! Now, you know you need to take that power to the track. Make it a family outing, bring 'em all so they can feel they are part of the action and a part of your passion. See you in January?

Jonmartin · 11-17-2009, 02:25 AM

Nice Congrats Nawaaz its right inline with my gains! but in a whole other state! There should be alot less doubt about the performance of the Gintani mods coupled with the Tune! once again congrats and thanks for taking the time to do so I know it seemed like you had your exhaust forever but it finally paid off!...

Gintani/Powerchip FTW

Makes me want to go totally catless again

Jonmartin · 11-17-2009, 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by foosh

All the talk about what you would have on a different dyno is BS. The only thing that is meaningful are the gains you demonstrated on the same dyno over a few days, assuming such variables as temp and density altitude were comparable, and comparing your baseline and 2 levels of modification. That's about the only useful knowledge to be derived from such comparisons, and in that regard your results are impressive. It also assumes that the dyno wasn't operated by the selling installer, but that's a whole other topic of discussion.

At any rate, congrats!

Its not BS.. He would make 400whp on your average Dynojet without a doubt. Thats a legit 500hp N/A BOLT ON M3. Hell I made the same gains and put down 398whp on a Dynapack that reads somewhat like a DJ there are a few DJ dynos out there that are calibrated to read lower like this mustang or some Dyno Dynamics but the norm it would break 400 for sure.

tightie · 11-17-2009, 03:14 AM

Nice gains!

Splinter4784 · 11-17-2009, 05:49 AM

That is a great horsepower/torque gain. Its good you did it on the same Mustang Dyno for a consistent result.

Great Job!!

disruptv · 11-17-2009, 06:51 AM

nawaaz,

curious why u went w/ aa pulleys vs gintani pulleys

also does any1 know if...is there a big difference in gintani catless vs fabspeed catless in terms of sound, cel lights, & performance

MrHarris · 11-17-2009, 07:18 AM

I'm making 382whp on a Dyno Dynamics, and my tune isn't even optimized. I'm at like 490-500hp at the crank!

Everyone with full Gintani catless + tune is putting up these numbers consistently. Good shit.

foosh · 11-17-2009, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Jonmartin

Its not BS.. He would make 400whp on your average Dynojet without a doubt. Thats a legit 500hp N/A BOLT ON M3. Hell I made the same gains and put down 398whp on a Dynapack that reads somewhat like a DJ there are a few DJ dynos out there that are calibrated to read lower like this mustang or some Dyno Dynamics but the norm it would break 400 for sure.

So, what? It doesn't matter. That's why it's BS. I repeat . . . all that matters is the gain, and that is very impressive and very legit.

But, I'm not going to enter into one of your patented forum "watering contests." I've seen too many of them.

kevinD · 11-17-2009, 09:35 AM

great post Nawaaz!! EXCELLENT RESULTS!

Nawaaz · 11-17-2009, 10:00 AM

Thank you very much for the appreciation everyone!

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Originally Posted by disruptv

nawaaz,

curious why u went w/ aa pulleys vs gintani pulleys

also does any1 know if...is there a big difference in gintani catless vs fabspeed catless in terms of sound, cel lights, & performance

I went with the AA pulley because Gintani had not yet released the '09 version (double-sided belt?) at the time of my purchase. AA was the next reliable option, that I trusted.

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Originally Posted by kevinD

great post Nawaaz!! EXCELLENT RESULTS!

Thank you Kevin!

***For those of you who are unaware, Kevin was the gentleman who performed all the installs for my bolt-on's, such as: the full exhaust, pulley, rpi scoops. I will be getting my ssk installed by him tomorrow, hopefully.

If you're in the DFW area, I HIGHLY recommend Kevin to do all of your installs. I couldn't trust anyone more than how much I trust him. Simply an AMAZING guy, who puts so much care into the work of a client's vehicle!

PM me if anyone ever needs his help on any installs.

King Tut · 11-17-2009, 10:31 AM

When I purchased my RPi full exhaust setup I was debating between it and the Gintani. It now appears that the Gintani does make more HP than the RPi which does dissapoint me a little. I'm gonna have to think about if it is worth changing exhausts to pick up some more HP.

mikewads · 11-17-2009, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Nawaaz

376.313 whp & 276.657 wtq[/color]

Ok Dyno queen... Great numbers!

NOW take it to the track and let's see what it does in the 1/4 mile!

Fen335i · 11-17-2009, 12:01 PM

Great information Naawaz. We all really appreciate the time you took to provide these numbers. Congratulations on your perf gains!

Curious if anyone has done a dyno test (before/after) with just the Gintani rear section (no xpipe or cat removal)? I'm looking at purchasing this but am curious how it stacks up against other exhausts out there. I believe Active says their signature will put down 12-15whp...is Gintani's rear section putting down similar numbers?

Nawaaz · 11-17-2009, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Fen335i

Great information Naawaz. We all really appreciate the time you took to provide these numbers. Congratulations on your perf gains!

Curious if anyone has done a dyno test (before/after) with just the Gintani rear section (no xpipe or cat removal)? I'm looking at purchasing this but am curious how it stacks up against other exhausts out there. I believe Active says their signature will put down 12-15whp...is Gintani's rear section putting down similar numbers?

From all of my research and from what I've heard, The Gintani rear section makes more power than the AA.

I don't know where I've heard this from, but perhaps AA's rear section loses power?? I don't know if that's true or not though...

...So please don't quote me on that.

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H Bomb Lieutenant Colonel Drives: 08 M3 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: FL to NY Posts: 1,679 iTrader: (4)	Nawaaz yours sounded the sickest in that video. that volume the no cats adds is awesome. that is how mine sounded once i added the midpipe such a sick sound and so much more power. was something wrong with that meister car?? it sounded like something was rattling on it. maybe he had a hanger loose?? __________________ Street- 08 E92 M3- Sparkling Graphite/ Fox Red/6sp Track- 10 CRF 250-PR2 Race Motor/Ohlins TTX Susp Hauler- 06 Ford Skyjacker F250 4WD
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spicoli024 Lieutenant Drives: '06 ZCP M3 Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 405 iTrader: (0)	F yea Nawaaz, Great job! All your hard research paid off, congrats! Now, you know you need to take that power to the track. Make it a family outing, bring 'em all so they can feel they are part of the action and a part of your passion. See you in January? __________________ ///M3
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Splinter4784 414 little horsies Drives: 2008 M3 Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Beverly Hills Posts: 407 iTrader: (2)	That is a great horsepower/torque gain. Its good you did it on the same Mustang Dyno for a consistent result. Great Job!! __________________ Race Precision Inc
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Nawaaz Brigadier General Drives: . Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: . Posts: 4,643 iTrader: (0)	It's no biggie, but my 2nd dyno chart does not show the rpm range. Therefore, here's the one which shows it:
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mixja Captain Drives: 2011 E90 DCT Silverstone Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Beverly Hils, CA Posts: 783 iTrader: (1)	Nawaaz - did you get the new Powerchip tune? I have seen the dyno for it and it makes +40WHP when applied to the stock car (i.e. no other mods).
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Jonmartin Banned Drives: E90 M3 Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Los Angles (818) Posts: 2,103 iTrader: (1)	Nice Congrats Nawaaz its right inline with my gains! but in a whole other state! There should be alot less doubt about the performance of the Gintani mods coupled with the Tune! once again congrats and thanks for taking the time to do so I know it seemed like you had your exhaust forever but it finally paid off!... Gintani/Powerchip FTW Makes me want to go totally catless again
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disruptv Major Drives: 3M Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: ny Posts: 1,145 iTrader: (10) Garage List 09 3m [0.00]	nawaaz, curious why u went w/ aa pulleys vs gintani pulleys also does any1 know if...is there a big difference in gintani catless vs fabspeed catless in terms of sound, cel lights, & performance
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MrHarris yodog Drives: '86 Corolla Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Diamond Bar, Ca Posts: 5,027 iTrader: (5) Garage List 2009 BMW [5.00]	I'm making 382whp on a Dyno Dynamics, and my tune isn't even optimized. I'm at like 490-500hp at the crank! Everyone with full Gintani catless + tune is putting up these numbers consistently. Good shit. __________________ 2009 E92 M3 \| Alpine White \| Black Extended \| Advan RS \| Turner Test Pipes \| Dinan Axle-Back \| OETuning \| Eibach Springs \| UUC SSK \| VRS Front Lip \| VRS Type I Diffuser \| Matte Black \| RPi Scoops \| MS Filter \| Yokohama AD08 \| F1 Pinnacle Special Thanks: Gintani \| OETuning \| eAs
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King Tut Individual LSB - Rust Brown Drives: 2012 BMW M3 Coupe Individual Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Gulf Breeze, FL Posts: 1,289 iTrader: (2)	When I purchased my RPi full exhaust setup I was debating between it and the Gintani. It now appears that the Gintani does make more HP than the RPi which does dissapoint me a little. I'm gonna have to think about if it is worth changing exhausts to pick up some more HP. __________________ King Tut 2012 BMW M3 Individual: Coming Soon 1987 BMW 325is SpecE30: spece30.ridedomain.com 2009 BMW M3 Coupe: Sold e92.ridedomain.com
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11-17-2009, 12:01 PM	#65
Fen335i Captain Drives: e92 M3 / Z4 M Roadster Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Pacific Northwest Posts: 783 iTrader: (0)	Great information Naawaz. We all really appreciate the time you took to provide these numbers. Congratulations on your perf gains! Curious if anyone has done a dyno test (before/after) with just the Gintani rear section (no xpipe or cat removal)? I'm looking at purchasing this but am curious how it stacks up against other exhausts out there. I believe Active says their signature will put down 12-15whp...is Gintani's rear section putting down similar numbers?
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