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      10-31-2009, 03:21 PM   #23
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I got a V1 after a bogus ticket I was given on my motorcycle this summer. I was written up for more than I was going, conveniently putting me in the next fee/revenue tier. The officer didn't show up for my court date, so justice was served in the end. Although he probably wrote 5-10 more tickets in the time he could have been spending in court.

The CHP use Ka band out here, and the Valentine always gives me plenty of warning when I get close to radar. The downside is all the false alarms in the other bands. The laser detector is pretty much worthless. It goes off all the time from sun glints and oncoming headlights.

I wish I had the option to disable bands that I know aren't used for speed measurement. The Escorts definitely have an advantage there with the GPS filtering. I don't know why Valentine doesn't develop a similar product (other than they've more than recouped their original development costs and are making a tidy profit on the V1).

I think you have a pretty good case for court. At the very least you should be able to plea for leniency and get the points and fees reduced.

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great advice so far...

As someone in a similar predicament, I am usually let go...

The part that annoys me is that he had to exceed the speed limit to catch you...but that is okay so apparently there are reasons to speed...revenue
My husband is an MD and gets pulled over lots of time by young cops. The older guys tend to let him off because if he comes into the local ER he wants to be able to use his name. You can get off if you go to court but I agree you need a good detector. This thread came in handy as I've been pulled over lately quite a bit and was looking into investing into one.
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Ya gotta love the typical God mentality of some doctors. I will give you a break if you are on the way to the ER on a call in,but it's extremely annoying when you stop some asshole and you know he's a doctor just by the way he brandishes his giant pager. Listen, everyone likes a break now and then, and I am more than willing to help out, but this attitude of BAD cop is bullshit. Just because you don't agree with the way the speed limits are set doesn't mean they're wrong. In my town we have the same set up. 35 or 40 for most of it except a bit thats 25. The reason it's 25 is because of the handicapped children's center on that road.

Sorry for the rant, but I get sick of people blaming the cops for their own driving. Did you take the drivers test? Did you pass? If you answered yes to these questions and took the drivers license, then you took responsibility to obey the laws in your state, much like you took the responsibility to obey the laws surrounding your medical license. They are both in place to keep people safe. Why can't you see that?
I agree. Everyone is responsible for their own actions blaming others for what you did is just plain ignorant.
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Basically, you are saying that my mom could only be saved by one single doctor in the world that I happened to stop. In 16 years of law enforcement, I have had once case of a doctor truly being on call and speeding to the hospital. I let him go, told him to be careful.
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I am an OB in a relatively small town. I have been stopped 5 times going to the hospital over the last 10 years. I received on ticket that the judge dismissed.

There are many times in the middle of the night that I get a call from the labor nurses about an acute emergency. Understand that 5 minutes additional minutes of oxygen deprivation can be life damaging (think cerebral palsy) or life ending.

I live 15 minutes during usual traffic and 8 minutes at a safe and reasonable high speed that are above the posted limits. In addition, there is talk about redlight cameras.

I am sorry, at 3 am....I am going to speed.

But please answer me this...if I pass an officer on the highway going 90 mph...he will give chase. How fast does he have to go to catch me?

So, I am at an unreasonable speed at 90...but he is reasonable at 130?

Or better yet...my M5 is unreasonable at 72 in a 65 and will get ticketed...but a 20 year old minivan, running mismatched tires...overloaded and towing a trailer will get ignored at 68 mph...
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No, actually its another case of people not accepting responsibility for their actions. And, your analogy sucks. Basically, you are saying that my mom could only be saved by one single doctor in the world that I happened to stop. In 16 years of law enforcement, I have had once case of a doctor truly being on call and speeding to the hospital. I let him go, told him to be careful.

And police cannot escort anyone to the hospital or anywhere else for that matter. Apparently you have based your opinion of what cops can do on the movies. You probably think we actually dip our fingers in cocaine to test it and indiscriminately shoot people right before the end of shift and go home too.

Stop trying to avoid the issue of responsibility.
I SAID YOU CAN TICKET THE INDIVIDUAL LATER. No one is trying to avoid responsibility here.

If you don't believe that there's only one physician or surgeon who is qualified enough to do certain emergency procedures, I can tell you that you are being EXTREMELY naive. As medicine gets more and more specialized, there are procedures that not everyone feels comfortable doing.

I'm just speaking the way I see it here in Seattle. We have attendings, fellows, and residents who cover multiple hospitals at night. It is not uncommon that people will be shuttling back and forth the VA / UWMC / Children's / Harborview. Our interventional radiologists cover both UWMC and HMC at night. If there is a bleed requiring embolization, they'll be the one driving their own car between the hospitals. If you think that hypothetical situation doesn't exist in real life, think again. Even a lowly intern like me had the pleasure of finishing a helping out a surgical case at Harborview and have to rush back to UWMC so that I can be on time for morning rounds. I speak from experience, my own experience. There are jerks that pull the badge or pager out to avoid responsibility, but there are true emergencies that got ruined by obvious power trip. Without further information, it would be tough to determine the situation.

As far as escorting goes, I don't know which jurisdiction you work for, but here in Seattle, UWPD, WSP and SPD have been instructed to in case in medical emergencies provide transport for the medical personnel to the hospital, especially if they were stuck in Husky game traffic.

You are more than welcomed to sit on your moral high horse.

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I can't believe you've done this (to quote the OT)

I think you will read this some day and realize how arrogant this sounds. I generally respect and appreciate the posts you have on this forum but this is just stupid. Not your best work.
If you think this doesn't happen, think again. Not every hospital has attending staff or even housestaff on call at night. If someone presented with a case like that, attending surgeons or radiologists will have to be called in from home for the case.

Let's use a less extreme sample. Instead of an aneurysm, your loved one developed sub-sternal chest pain. He / she was taken to the nearest ER, and ECG showed an STEMI (heart attack in lay people's terms). He / she needs to be taken to the cath lab to get an angiogram done and possible balloon / stent placement. National standard for door-to-ballon time is less than 90 minutes. This has been shown to improve survival rate. By the time the attending cardiologist is paged, he / she usually only have less than an hour to get into the hospital for the catheterization. How do you feel if you loved one did not get the balloon / stent in the 90 minutes and suffered permanent damage to heart? The officer has the discretion to do what he thinks is the best in that situation, but simply calling every MD claiming that they have an emergency as being irresponsible is stupid
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I have to answer your ignorant comment ...YES I'M AN ER DOCTOR AND YES CALLED BY WORK TO COVER A SHORT STAFF SINCE WE ADOPTED LATELY A NEW POLICY REGARDING H1N1 VIRUS(do you know what it is): YOU don't know how people feel in the ER and how vulnerable they can get.The next time you or some one you know go to an ER and Stay 4 hours before someone sees you, you will apperciate a doctor trying to go fast to help...(your comments are low class)

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Ya gotta love the typical God mentality of some doctors. I will give you a break if you are on the way to the ER on a call in,but it's extremely annoying when you stop some asshole and you know he's a doctor just by the way he brandishes his giant pager. Listen, everyone likes a break now and then, and I am more than willing to help out, but this attitude of BAD cop is bullshit. Just because you don't agree with the way the speed limits are set doesn't mean they're wrong. In my town we have the same set up. 35 or 40 for most of it except a bit thats 25. The reason it's 25 is because of the handicapped children's center on that road.

Sorry for the rant, but I get sick of people blaming the cops for their own driving. Did you take the drivers test? Did you pass? If you answered yes to these questions and took the drivers license, then you took responsibility to obey the laws in your state, much like you took the responsibility to obey the laws surrounding your medical license. They are both in place to keep people safe. Why can't you see that?

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What can you do... There is a lot of people has a poor mentality...My work is writting a letter to give it to the judge....The next time these people go to the ER and stay for hours before someone sees them they will know what we are talking about. The ER problem that we face lately that people panic when they have a flu like symptoms thinking they have H1N1 and they flood the ER
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I SAID YOU CAN TICKET THE INDIVIDUAL LATER. No one is trying to avoid responsibility here.

I'm just speaking the way I see it here in Seattle. We have attendings, fellows, and residents who cover multiple hospitals at night. It is not uncommon that people will be shuttling back and forth the VA / UWMC / Children's / Harborview. If you think that hypothetical situation doesn't exist in real life, think again. Even a lowly intern like me had the pleasure of finishing a helping out a surgical case at Harborview and have to rush back to UWMC so that I can be on time for morning rounds. I speak from experience, my own experience. There are jerks that pull the badge or pager out to avoid responsibility, but there are true emergencies that got ruined by obvious power trip. Without further information, it would be tough to determine the situation.



If you think this doesn't happen, think again. Not every hospital has attending staff or even housestaff on call at night. If someone presented with a case like that, attending surgeons or radiologists will have to be called in from home for the case.

Let's use a less extreme sample. Instead of an aneurysm, your loved one developed sub-sternal chest pain. He / she was taken to the nearest ER, and ECG showed an STEMI (heart attack in lay people's terms). He / she needs to be taken to the cath lab to get an angiogram done and possible balloon / stent placement. National standard for door-to-ballon time is less than 90 minutes. This has been shown to improve survival rate. By the time the attending cardiologist is paged, he / she usually only have less than an hour to get into the hospital for the catheterization. How do you feel if you loved one did not get the balloon / stent in the 90 minutes and suffered permanent damage to heart? The officer has the discretion to do what he thinks is the best in that situation, but simply calling every MD claiming that they have an emergency as being irresponsible is stupid
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You know just to ease the suffering of someone is worth it and I'm not going to say saving someone's life...I will do it again if I have too....to call me an ignorant for that it is something I will be proud of!!!
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Thank you Everyone for the support and advices...I will get the V1 and take it from there...
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Thank you Everyone for the support and advices...I will get the V1 and take it from there...
You'll like the V1. Don't listen to these jokester saying you violated the law. Wtf lol. You're a doctor and need to get to the hospital ASAP. Who cares how fast you had to go to get there in time, if its vital? People will never understand unless they are in your shoes or are patients in need of a doctor who isn't there.

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Trust me if he wrote a ticket for anything else so I can avoid the points I would have thanked him ..pay it and end the story... I should have been a dermatology doctor no emergencies :-)
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You'll like the V1. Don't listen to these jokester saying you violated the law. Wtf lol. You're a doctor and need to get to the hospital ASAP. Who cares how fast you had to go to get there in time, if its vital? People will never understand unless they are in your shoes or are patients in need of a doctor who isn't there.

Good luck fighting your ticket.
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I have to answer your ignorant comment ...YES I'M AN ER DOCTOR AND YES CALLED BY WORK TO COVER A SHORT STAFF SINCE WE ADOPTED LATELY A NEW POLICY REGARDING H1N1 VIRUS(do you know what it is): YOU don't know how people feel in the ER and how vulnerable they can get.The next time you or some one you know go to an ER and Stay 4 hours before someone sees you, you will apperciate a doctor trying to go fast to help...(your comments are low class)
Of course I know what H1N1 is. As a cop, I am immune to swine flu You can continue to make excuses for your behavior and assume I don't know what its like to sit in an ER for hours on end (New Years eve, drunken female victims of rape), but that doesn't change the fact that you are trying to find a way to avoid obeying the law. I also feel sorry for you that you feel that impugning my profession and my class is necessary solely for having an opinion that differs from you.

By all means, get a V1 and carry on with your superior mentality. After all, you've earned it.
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ORLY? What if your mother just pop an aneurysm in her head and is now bleeding out. They took her to the hospital and the hospital have to call either a neurosurgeon or a neurointerventional radiologist in to clip or embolize the bleeder from a different hospital. The doctor jumps into his car and starts driving. A cop decided to stop the doctor for speeding and your mother dies as a result of the bleed. How do you feel about that?

As a cop, you have the discretion to actually escort the doctor to the hospital with your lights (if this were a true emergency), and then ticket the individual later.

IMHO, this is nothing but another case of "small man syndrome"

Totally agree. The cop was a jealous tool. Case closed.
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Some doctors do take advantage, but due to the nature of their work they should given breaks. This officer either can't think outside of the box or is resentful of doctors. Yes, some doctors are pompous asses, but it does not diminish the importance of their work. I come from a NYPD family and harbor no dislike for PO's. This cop was just a tool or an idiot.
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Of course I know what H1N1 is. As a cop, I am immune to swine flu You can continue to make excuses for your behavior and assume I don't know what its like to sit in an ER for hours on end (New Years eve, drunken female victims of rape), but that doesn't change the fact that you are trying to find a way to avoid obeying the law. I also feel sorry for you that you feel that impugning my profession and my class is necessary solely for having an opinion that differs from you.

By all means, get a V1 and carry on with your superior mentality. After all, you've earned it.
Some cops have God complex.... Laws that are broken by 80-90 % of people are unjust laws and you should not be enforcing such laws. Speeding laws are laws that are broken by 100% of people. The speed limits in North America are artificially low - so that you can get paid. Go catch real criminals.
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Some cops have God complex.... Laws that are broken by 80-90 % of people are unjust laws and you should not be enforcing such laws. Speeding laws are laws that are broken by 100% of people. The speed limits in North America are artificially low - so that you can get paid. Go catch real criminals.
Good point. I'm the first to agree that speed limits are based on 1970's car technology, and that modern cars are far more capable than speed limits. The problem is that speed limits are based on the lowest common denominator. People. There are people who are just as stupid now as there was 100 years ago, and no amount of tech can fix that.

I'm not saying that there aren't bad cops out there, or ones who are trying to compensate for small penises or growing up the kid everyone hated. I just take exception to all the posts here where the OP admits to breaking the law and then is upset that they get caught. Don't like the law? Do something about it. There is a poster here that actively worked to get the Illinois tint law changed, and it worked. He took the proper steps and made a difference. Until then, I will continue to enforce the laws that are out there until some enterprising soul changes them. Do you deliberately disobey your boss or the rules of your profession? I doubt it. Just like you and the OP, I go to work to get paid. That's how I afford my new M3 Everyone has the misconception that:

a) Police departments make a lot of revenue from traffic tickets. It's not true. The average revenue from each ticket after the state takes the money to provide free public school for your kids is about four bucks. Hardly a huge incentive, but I admit I don't know about other states. Our fines are only $75

b) Cops have some sort of incentive for writing more tickets. If that were the case, I'd have the toaster.

When the comment "Go catch real criminals" gets played, I have to laugh. You have no idea what I have done in my career.

As for the God complex comment, I apologize for that. It was my ire showing through, and I mean no personal disrespect for the OP or those in his field. I am just sick of it. Flame if you have to, I can take it
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Hey immiketoo,

How many times have you got off a ticket because you're a cop?

Be honest.
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Question Why V1?

Okay, why is everyone so high on V1?
Considering:
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Not trying invoke any wrath, just would like some good insight...
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My wife is a neuro ICU nurse and pages neurologists very frequently for late-night emergency procedures, so I fully understand the urgency that is so vital to saving the lives her patients. I have to say that I disagree a little bit with the posters who are saying that MDs should be allowed to speed excessively and quite possibly risk others' lives responding to an emergency call. Is there some kind of emergency, high speed driving school that on-call physicians attend as part of medical school? Not that I know of.. Of course, as in this case and others, common sense says that an on-call physician should be immediately allowed to safely proceed and attend to the patient requiring his skills. And, yes, neurosurgery is a very specialized field and not just any GP can perform these very unique procedures. I'm all for saving lives, but I am against risking the lives of others in the process.
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