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      10-30-2009, 01:27 PM   #133
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I knew the CTS-V was gonna be crazy fast from the day GM announced it was gonna have 550 hp, trouncing every super sedan around it price point and then some. The question then was how will the handling fare since it will be pretty heavy. The first gen CTS-V wasn't that strong in that department but GM has stepped up to the plate and made the car go fast straight as well as during turns.
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      10-30-2009, 01:28 PM   #134
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Anyone remember Paul Newman,

at Limerock,

in the rain,

in a Trans-Am car,

in his mid-seventies?
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      10-30-2009, 01:31 PM   #135
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Quite frankly, as I was looking to get out of my RS4, the CTS-V was the early front-runner. If I had decided to go with another sedan/fixed roof, it would have been the V over the M3.

However, the attraction of a hard-top convertible won out in the end.
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      10-30-2009, 01:33 PM   #136
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explain...i was agreeing with you...but your arrogance got in the way

also...the consumer driven M3 and M5 both beat the only consumer driven CTS-V
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      10-30-2009, 01:35 PM   #137
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Update: A little birdie told us that BMW North America would like to reward Michael Cooper for his performance. Our sources say a FREE Advanced School at the BMW Performance Center and a meet-up with the BMW Rahal Letterman Racing team. Once again, congratulations Michael and good to see BMW stepping up.
Congrats, Michael!

http://www.bmwblog.com/2009/10/30/ca...n-lutzs-cts-v/
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      10-30-2009, 01:36 PM   #138
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Anyone remember Paul Newman,

at Limerock,

in the rain,

in a Trans-Am car,

in his mid-seventies?
Of course, but the real question is, was he as quick as Paul Newman when he was younger? As I said many, many posts ago, the point regarding age is one of deterioration over the previous baseline.

There are, no doubt, multiple cases of 70-somethings, who can easily out-drive talent-less 20-somethings. The same hot-shoe at 25 is going to slow down at 60+ and sometimes much sooner depending upon physical condition.
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      10-30-2009, 01:38 PM   #139
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This rocks! Michael...you're the man!
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      10-30-2009, 01:40 PM   #140
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explain...i was agreeing with you...but your arrogance got in the way

also...the consumer driven M3 and M5 both beat the only consumer driven CTS-V
My apologies . . . shouldn't be having multiple conversations here. I see my age is getting in the way.
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      10-30-2009, 01:41 PM   #141
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Of course, but the real question is, was he as quick as Paul Newman when he was younger? As I said many, many posts ago, the point regarding age is one of deterioration over the previous baseline.

There are, no doubt, multiple cases of 70-somethings, who can easily out-drive talent-less 20-somethings. The same hot-shoe at 25 is going to slow down at 60+ and sometimes much sooner depending upon physical condition.
I agree completely. I'm not even 50 and I feel it sometimes. I just like to remind folks of the talent Paul Newman had behind the wheel.
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      10-30-2009, 01:45 PM   #142
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Cute!!!






You mean the same Bill Auberlen who was pwn3d by Heinricy exactly one year ago at the same track while driving a SMG equipped M5 while Henricy drove the CTS-V?


Let's all be serious here... This challenge was open to "ANYONE" with a stock production sedan in the competing class of a CTS-V. No pro drivers showed up with a car so that's life. It would have been nice to see a "Paul Gerard" or a "Will Turner" pilot a M3, M5, or RS4 on this course. But it didn't happen.
The good that came out of all this is that a GM icon wrote a check that he could not cash. He has racing experience, so does Michael C. AFAIK, neither are pros in a regular racing series. Neither are manufacturer test drivers. And Michael drove his very own E90 M3 to what seems to be a CTS-V stomping ground and stomped Bob by nearly 6 secs. All this with only 2 laps at his disposal before the brakes gave up the ghost.


Ya the same guy that barely got beat. Especially since Heinricky just got done doing testing on the ring with the CTS-V vs Bill who had just driven the M5 for the first time in years ya that guy.
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      10-30-2009, 01:46 PM   #143
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As long as this thread is digressing into opinions ...

Sport vs. Normal:
Car behaves consistently in Sport whereas you can get some inconsistencies when the car tries to "help" you in normal mode. I might be a tad slower in sport, but I like the way it feels more.

DSC/MDM vs. DSC off:
A fast driver is no slower with DSC, MDM or DSC off. It might be more fun with DSC off, but it is no faster. If you are sliding the car enough for the DSC to be interupting, then you are overdriving your tires. Tires generate maximum traction at well defined slip angles. Those slip angles are within the acceptable region of the DSC mapping.

I have only had to turn DSC off for one track, ever. Turn 14 at Thunderhill has curbing on the inside that you have to hit for a fast exit. I couldn't get through there without DSC cutting in. However, with DSC on I could throttle steer my e46 through turn 2 at Laguna. In MDM mode I can trail brake deeply into the Chicane and throttle steer in 5 at WGI.

With DSC or MDM on, the car will tell me without too much excitement if I'm doing something wrong. So it is also a tool for telling me if I'm too abrupt entering a corner or getting on the gas on exit. And yet, it still allows enough oversteer or understeer for midcorner corrections. I just don't understand the DSC is bad mentality.
I agree - I have put MDM through its paces and when it has to interfere, it is usually because I am doing something wrong, or screwing around. Still, you can toss the car around with MDM if you know how the system will react. DSC off may be the fastest for some, but mdm is a huge leap forward in terms of traction control technology IMHO. The only time I have full DSC on is usually in very bad conditions - rain, snow, cold tires, etc.
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      10-30-2009, 01:49 PM   #144
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Good stuff, awesome job!

I did some 1st gear pulls with a 556HP CTSV recently, surprisingly they were very close.
Now the Acura owning haters (who for unknown reasons hang out on BMW forums) are going to flame you
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      10-30-2009, 01:55 PM   #145
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So how many times did the CTS breakdown?
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      10-30-2009, 01:58 PM   #146
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Ya the same guy that barely got beat. Especially since Heinricky just got done doing testing on the ring with the CTS-V vs Bill who had just driven the M5 for the first time in years ya that guy.
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      10-30-2009, 01:59 PM   #147
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I have never wanted to drive a Cadillac so bad like I want to drive the CTS-V now! Lets all be honest, for the kind of money you shell for these uber sedans, CTS-V got value and class in aces. Never mind I love BMW, the CTS-V is one hell of a car, that much I admit.
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      10-30-2009, 01:59 PM   #148
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I can't say that I agree with you Koesel. I think RJ is closer to correct. Competititive driving DSC settings that now come on many performance cars (such as the BMW version, MDM) allow quite a bit of slippage. Anything beyond that, and you're losing control and time.
I did an experiment with DSC at Mosport earlier in the year with my track tires on (R888's).I ran a few laps with DSC off and set a good time for myself and then turned the MDM on and compared times.With the MDM on I was 2.2 seconds a lap slower and the DSC light was flashing an awful lot of the time on the faster corners where you are full throttle from the apex on out to the exit.Mosport is a momentum track and using the MDM did not allow the car to utilize its performance capabilities any where near its maximum.My feeling is that DSC & MDM are for people that have not developed their car comtrol skills to what is required on a 400+ horsepower sedan to get the maximum performance from it.
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      10-30-2009, 02:06 PM   #149
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So how many times did the CTS breakdown?
I don't think you want to go here. You might check various GM model vs. BMW model reliability ratings.
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What are you guys arguing about?

Do you guys actually think the M3 with a pro driver could lap faster than the CTS-V? Yes or No
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What are you guys arguing about?

Do you guys actually think the M3 with a pro driver could lap faster than the CTS-V? Yes or No
Yes as long as the straight is short enough to not have the M3 on the limiter before the braking zone.The CTS-V has a huge edge in Top speed as delivered in North America.
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I think it would be darn near a dead heat, depending on the circuit.
Especially if the stock M3 was fitted with PS2s on a damp surface.
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Yes as long as the straight is short enough to not have the M3 on the limiter before the braking zone.The CTS-V has a huge edge in Top speed as delivered in North America.
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I think it would be darn near a dead heat, depending on the circuit.
Especially if the stock M3 was fitted with PS2s on a damp surface.
LoL

Well Monticello is basically all tight technical corners and a long straight.

But one problem. GM put a chicane in the middle of the straight, they knew people would bitch.

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