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      12-09-2014, 12:55 PM   #1
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VIR Lap times

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I am considering purchasing a loaded E92 M3. It has almost every option including the competition package. I track my cars a few times a year. I am trying to find what a stock M3 will do on the VIR full course. I currently run an s2000 in intermediate level. I am getting tired of being passed in that vehicle and have somewhat outgrown it. I have searched and can't seem to get a good idea of what a stock M3 will do. In my s2000 I am running about 2:18-2:20 with occasional 2:16 mixed in. The S2000 is modified to run those times. My hope is that I will be faster in the stock M3 than in the modified S2000. If that is not the case then I am not sure I want to spend the 50K to upgrade.
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      12-09-2014, 04:44 PM   #2
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come on guys. this is an easy one to answer
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      12-09-2014, 05:17 PM   #3
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All comes down to driver, I have run anywhere from 2:13-2:18 on the new surface but that was with 888's, stock power, 6MT and track pads and fluid.
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      12-09-2014, 05:42 PM   #4
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Yeah I know it's driver dependent. Just looking for a range on street tires.
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      12-09-2014, 10:11 PM   #5
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You should get the M3 because it is an awesome car and superior to the Honda in every way, NOT because its a few seconds faster around a track. Why not just put a blower on the s2k and save your 50k. just sayin.
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      12-10-2014, 10:51 AM   #6
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Don't get me wrong. I loved the M3 that I test drove. Its just hard to take it to the track and be slower than in the Honda. It will feel like a waste of money. There is no doubt that the car overall is better than the Honda. I have thought about a supercharger for the Honda but I don't want to mess with the reliability. My other concern is the falling value of the E92 with the f8x now being out there.
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If all that you are chasing is a lap time then I wouldn't bother with the e9x M3. Brakes, tires, gas, wear and tear are probably higher than the Honda and you may not be any faster. If you want a fast track car then you need to buy a fast track car, not an all around good car that can also go to the track. I would sell the Honda and get an e46 M3 track car.
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      12-10-2014, 12:01 PM   #8
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im not really chasing lap times. the purpose of the M3 would be that I can drive it on the street and take it to the track plus it will be an upgrade lap time wise from the Honda. I know the consumables will be more cost. The Honda is at the point where it is too uncomfortable to drive to work or around town. Also, I was hoping that a street e92 would be better to the point that I don't have to run race tires and upgrade the suspension, sway bars etc as I have done on the Honda.
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There's a dozen or so VIR laptimes posted in the laptimes thread, with mods to the car etc. Leh Keen ran a 2:08 before the repave in his E92 on PS2's with coilovers and a Stoptech brake kit. You probably can't do that, but Leh is a semi-pro driver. Anyway if you're worried about the capabilities of the car, the M3 is undoubtedly more capable at big tracks like VIR with three very fast sections and straightaways.
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Yes! I saw the ones for modified cars. I was looking for stock lap times on street tires.
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Sounds like you need to take a lap yourself and find out! Nobody can tell you what you will run in the car until you run it and that seems like the level of certainty you're looking for. KW's aren't worth seconds per lap, maybe a second *maybe* two at a big track, a BBK adds very little to the outright speed capability over one lap of a car, just consistency, and Leh ran his 2:08 on PS2's, which aren't even a good street tire by current standards.

Or, put it this way, an E92 M3 was about 9 seconds a lap faster than the S2000 CR around Grand in C/D's lightning lap. Do you think your mods to your S2000 are worth 6 seconds a lap (Grand is a 3-minute lap, Full is a 2-minute lap, so 2/3 the difference?)
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      12-10-2014, 01:17 PM   #12
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I ran 2:27 pre modifications to the s2k. I now run 2:18 consistently. Part of that I am sure is modification and part is the fact that I have become a better driver. The reason I am looking at lap times is because I wanted to get into a street car that will allow me to somewhat keep up in DE. Getting passed all the time gets tiring and the S is getting on in years and will likely become unreliable as I continue to track it.
I understand that its driver dependent. I was just trying to get an idea from people that are familiar with the car. Not trying to start an debate on which car is better. Just didn't want to get to the track in Feb and run 2:25's and be really upset.
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      12-10-2014, 02:39 PM   #13
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Yes! I saw the ones for modified cars. I was looking for stock lap times on street tires.
My guesstimate would be 2:12s this is based on evidence that when my M3 was stock (street rubber and just pagid yellows), it ran almost identical laptimes as the 911C2S (1st gen). 911 does that with Pilot Sport 2 and Pagid yellows on repaved VIR and I would assume the same for the stock M3.

Very capable car, you will have to get used to the heavier weight. Like others have said, its a great all around capable car which you can track and still be plenty fast.

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      12-10-2014, 03:35 PM   #14
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thanks Lufty. that's the best answer I got so far
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A stock e9x M3 with an experienced driver will run sub 2:18 lap times on the full course at VIR. Mod'ed e9x M3s are closer to 2:10 (+/- 2-3 sec depending on driver and mods).
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      12-16-2014, 07:36 PM   #17
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Lufty is about right with the 2:12 estimate. I think i was around 2:10 with hfc's, ess tune, nitto nt01 square, stoptech with pagids, swift spec-r springs and dinan camber plates with stock EDC.

Last time up i ran 2:07.6 with above mods, but was fully catless and was on bfg r1's (and weather was perfect). I could maybe get into 2:06's according to harry's lap timer but that would prob be about the lowest i could go without more power or coilovers.

E92 is a pretty capable track car, but is heavy. You really have to manage the weight transfer and keep the momentum up.
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well at least I know how to drive a momentum car so keeping momentum should not be too difficult.
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Lufty is about right with the 2:12 estimate. I think i was around 2:10 with hfc's, ess tune, nitto nt01 square, stoptech with pagids, swift spec-r springs and dinan camber plates with stock EDC.

Last time up i ran 2:07.6 with above mods, but was fully catless and was on bfg r1's (and weather was perfect). I could maybe get into 2:06's according to harry's lap timer but that would prob be about the lowest i could go without more power or coilovers.

E92 is a pretty capable track car, but is heavy. You really have to manage the weight transfer and keep the momentum up.
You and sleeper519 seriously shatter my ego

2:10 is spot on with the mods. I ran a flat 2:10:00 flat with RA1 square, Bilstein EDC, Eibach springs, Pagid yellows (stock caliper with PFC 2 piece rotors), GC camber and HR front bar. Stock motor no tune except for 240E flash.

But 207s with stock EDC shocks Jesus!! I'll blame the perfect weather Brilliant time mate!

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