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      08-14-2017, 06:53 PM   #1
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Rotella T6 Blackstone Report for 150K maintenance

I got my report back from Blackstone after completing my 150K maintenance, as documented here. http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1410659

So when's my engine going to grenade again?

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Looks fine. Pay for TBN and TAN next time.
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Was surprised to see you running the Rotella T6 which a lot of other car guys love (I had this in my STI). I already know it's a great oil, but I also "heard" it's bad for the catalytic converters... any truth in this?
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Was surprised to see you running the Rotella T6 which a lot of other car guys love (I had this in my STI). I already know it's a great oil, but I also "heard" it's bad for the catalytic converters... any truth in this?
Ive been passing inspection every single year in every car i've owned using this oil.
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I'm sure a real engineer or engine builder will chime in but supposedly a vast majority of the bearing wear occurs fairly early in the engine life when tolerances are tighter and proper break in is critical, which is when you would see the highest amounts of lead and copper (in 08-09 engines) in Blackstone reports. Once the wear has occurred over time the tolerances between the rod and the bearings loosen up and the friction decreases somewhat...so less lead/copper would be spun off. I'm not remotely an expert in this area but based on the research I've done...I don't think this report can be read that your bearings are in great shape. Maybe they are...maybe they are not.
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I'm sure a real engineer or engine builder will chime in but supposedly a vast majority of the bearing wear occurs fairly early in the engine life when tolerances are tighter and proper break in is critical, which is when you would see the highest amounts of lead and copper (in 08-09 engines) in Blackstone reports. Once the wear has occurred over time the tolerances between the rod and the bearings loosen up and the friction decreases somewhat...so less lead/copper would be spun off. I'm not remotely an expert in this area but based on the research I've done...I don't think this report can be read that your bearings are in great shape. Maybe they are...maybe they are not.
Not suggesting my bearings are in great shape since the only way to really know is to take them apart. I did the report because someone asked me about it a while ago and I said I'd do it when I hit 150K. Plus, this gives more data for those who are interested and said my engine would explode...80k miles ago.
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I'm sure a real engineer or engine builder will chime in but supposedly a vast majority of the bearing wear occurs fairly early in the engine life when tolerances are tighter and proper break in is critical, which is when you would see the highest amounts of lead and copper (in 08-09 engines) in Blackstone reports. Once the wear has occurred over time the tolerances between the rod and the bearings loosen up and the friction decreases somewhat...so less lead/copper would be spun off. I'm not remotely an expert in this area but based on the research I've done...I don't think this report can be read that your bearings are in great shape. Maybe they are...maybe they are not.
Not suggesting my bearings are in great shape since the only way to really know is to take them apart. I did the report because someone asked me about it a while ago and I said I'd do it when I hit 150K. Plus, this gives more data for those who are interested and said my engine would explode...80k miles ago.
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I'm sure a real engineer or engine builder will chime in but supposedly a vast majority of the bearing wear occurs fairly early in the engine life when tolerances are tighter and proper break in is critical, which is when you would see the highest amounts of lead and copper (in 08-09 engines) in Blackstone reports. Once the wear has occurred over time the tolerances between the rod and the bearings loosen up and the friction decreases somewhat...so less lead/copper would be spun off. I'm not remotely an expert in this area but based on the research I've done...I don't think this report can be read that your bearings are in great shape. Maybe they are...maybe they are not.
What you said makes sense. But it's mainly dependent on how often the engine is redlined.
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Was surprised to see you running the Rotella T6 which a lot of other car guys love (I had this in my STI). I already know it's a great oil, but I also "heard" it's bad for the catalytic converters... any truth in this?
Only if you burn tons and tons of oil. Like obliterate through the stuff. Otherwise you're not going to hurt anything.

This IS great oil, but the s65 needs 10w60. Now I heard that the bearings in this engine weren't designed properly and that you're better off running 10w50, but 5w40 oil is too thin and best left for cold weather use.

Also, shell rotella has a lot of detergents so it's not the best for your engine to run this stuff over and over again, but rather on the occasional oil change just to keep things clean.
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Was surprised to see you running the Rotella T6 which a lot of other car guys love (I had this in my STI). I already know it's a great oil, but I also "heard" it's bad for the catalytic converters... any truth in this?
Only if you burn tons and tons of oil. Like obliterate through the stuff. Otherwise you're not going to hurt anything.

This IS great oil, but the s65 needs 10w60. Now I heard that the bearings in this engine weren't designed properly and that you're better off running 10w50, but 5w40 oil is too thin and best left for cold weather use.

Also, shell rotella has a lot of detergents so it's not the best for your engine to run this stuff over and over again, but rather on the occasional oil change just to keep things clean.
Then it must be doing a great job if I am going on 150k+ on the engine and about 80k miles on this oil. Also with a blackstone report of them saying better than most engines they've tested, if that means anything
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I already know it's a great oil, but I also "heard" it's bad for the catalytic converters... any truth in this?
It's no worse for cat converters than any other automotive oil.



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Also, shell rotella has a lot of detergents so it's not the best for your engine to run this stuff over and over again, but rather on the occasional oil change just to keep things clean.
I've never heard that before. Can you please provide a source? Just because an oil has "a lot of detergents" (dubious claim) doesn't mean you can't run it. The opposite is true, however -- "race" oils often have little to no detergents and shouldn't be used in a road car.
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It's no worse for cat converters than any other automotive oil.





I've never heard that before. Can you please provide a source? Just because an oil has "a lot of detergents" (dubious claim) doesn't mean you can't run it. The opposite is true, however -- "race" oils often have little to no detergents and shouldn't be used in a road car.
My friend. It is a diesel oil. Diesel oils have added cleaning detergents for Diesel engines. If you Haven't checked their website before then i highly suggest you do so.
http://rotella.shell.com/products/t6...synthetic.html

Look under improved deposit control.
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      08-15-2017, 07:57 PM   #15
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Many run it in gas motors. I have read people write about the added detergents in diesel oil on the internet, but never read of anyone actually having a problem running T6 in gas engines.
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My friend. It is a diesel oil. Diesel oils have added cleaning detergents for Diesel engines. If you Haven't checked their website before then i highly suggest you do so.
http://rotella.shell.com/products/t6...synthetic.html

Look under improved deposit control.
It's also API/SM and JASO MA rated

It's kinda sad that even an informational thread to provide more data as to how my engine is lasting 150K without catastrophic (read: bearing) problems, always matriculates into an oil pissing war.

I'm not forcing anyone to use what I use or do what I do. If you have the brains to buy an M3, then you are more than capable of figuring out your own maintenance routines. I'm just providing the community another data point to consider.

Anyways, like I said, if there is that much detergent inside the T6, then it is certainly working. Or, when do you predict my engine will grenade? Just passed 151K coming home from work btw.
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How much does a report cost?
$27? $28? One of the two, less than $30 definitely.
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$27? $28? One of the two, less than $30 definitely.
wow that's pretty cheap. thanks for the info.
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It's also API/SM and JASO MA rated

It's kinda sad that even an informational thread to provide more data as to how my engine is lasting 150K without catastrophic (read: bearing) problems, always matriculates into an oil pissing war.

I'm not forcing anyone to use what I use or do what I do. If you have the brains to buy an M3, then you are more than capable of figuring out your own maintenance routines. I'm just providing the community another data point to consider.

Anyways, like I said, if there is that much detergent inside the T6, then it is certainly working. Or, when do you predict my engine will grenade? Just passed 151K coming home from work btw.
I never said that this oil is not good for your car. If your bearings are still in good shape given your mileage then you're clearly doing something weong unlike the people putting 0w40 Mobil 1 into their s65.

You need to re read my first post. I said that shell rotella is great oil, but The detergents MIGHT make it not the best choice for long term use. With that being said, it is still far better quality oil then Mobil 1 or Castrol (which is what the majority use)
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If your bearings are still in good shape given your mileage then you're clearly doing something weong unlike the people putting 0w40 Mobil 1 into their s65.
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You need to re read my first post. I said that shell rotella is great oil, but The detergents MIGHT make it not the best choice for long term use. With that being said, it is still far better quality oil then Mobil 1 or Castrol (which is what the majority use)
Also, I meant to say that as a general statement, didn't mean it to direct it to you.
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I never said that this oil is not good for your car. If your bearings are still in good shape given your mileage then you're clearly doing something weong unlike the people putting 0w40 Mobil 1 into their s65.

You need to re read my first post. I said that shell rotella is great oil, but The detergents MIGHT make it not the best choice for long term use. With that being said, it is still far better quality oil then Mobil 1 or Castrol (which is what the majority use)
What is long term use? More than the 80k by the OP?

If T6 was far better quality than M1 or Castrol how come no performance cars specify it and instead use those oils that you claim are far lower quality?
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