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      12-05-2009, 12:35 AM   #89
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      12-05-2009, 11:13 AM   #91
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I think the point Fruitcake was making was that the S4 is easier to drive very quickly because of it's AWD system. That is not the same as actually being quicker but it's debatable that an average driver in an M3 would be quicker than the same person in the S4 and there is no doubt that adding power to the S4 will not make it an uncontrolably beast that could easily happen with a rwd car given similar increases in power.

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If the S4 you raced was claimed to be putting down close on 535hp at the crank and beat it in a stock M3 then someone was telling porkies because it should have been a walking session for the S4.
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      12-05-2009, 12:14 PM   #92
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I think the point Fruitcake was making was that the S4 is easier to drive very quickly because of it's AWD system. That is not the same as actually being quicker but it's debatable that an average driver in an M3 would be quicker than the same person in the S4...
This is NOT DEBATABLE, this is like saying a Subaru Outback is 'easier' to drive because it has AWD! PLEASE!

Every test about the M3 says HOW EASY IT IS to drive TO THE LIMIT!!!

The M3 beats the RS4 on the road course... if you want to make the argument there... I might agree... but the new S4... is the Audi's 335ix! And a 335ix is NOT EASIER to drive at the limit than an M3!

It's why the M3 is so commonly referred to as the 'Scalpel'.

This thread is as pointless as Footies feedback... M3 FTW EVERY TIME against a friggin POS V6 S4! PUHLEEZ!!!
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It's universally agreed the Quattro+sportsdiff is miles better than either x-drive or an Outback, that was why I said 'it's' AWD system.

No disagreement from me that the M3 is one of the easiest rwd cars to drive quickly but that's not the same as saying it's as easy or easier than what the S4 would be, especially with an extra 100+hp which was what I was explaining.
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I think the point Fruitcake was making was that the S4 is easier to drive very quickly because of it's AWD system. That is not the same as actually being quicker but it's debatable that an average driver in an M3 would be quicker than the same person in the S4 and there is no doubt that adding power to the S4 will not make it an uncontrolably beast that could easily happen with a rwd car given similar increases in power.

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If the S4 you raced was claimed to be putting down close on 535hp at the crank and beat it in a stock M3 then someone was telling porkies because it should have been a walking session for the S4.
Not really afterward all his friends with similar mods (about 3 other S4's) came out to teach me a lesson and only one beat me and he was leaps and bounds more powerfull then all of them. Basically the M3 doesn't need as much power as the Audi does to get the same thing done. One time I even ran into one on the freeway randomly and we went at it 2 times and I walked him harder then the car in the vid he was a stage 2 tho. Then I exited and he followed me and asked if I wanted to go again after he put some gas in so I waited for him to add some gas and turn his boost up. We got back on and it didn't help him at all. He said he was making 380awhp and that I must have been making over 400whp to pull like that I just lol'ed and said peace out. And last I heard the B5S4 is lighter then the M3. The new one is heavier and doesn't even make that kind of power yet.
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Acceleration is all about one thing and that is power to weight. Nothing else matters, it's why a E63, RS6, M5, GT3, etc will put on hard on an M3. Like wise a B5 S4 that genuinely kicks out over 530hp at the crank will walk all over a stock M3, and believing anything different is very naive.

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Acceleration is all about one thing and that is power to weight. Nothing else matters, it's why a E63, RS6, M5, GT3, etc will put on hard on an M3. Like wise a B5 S4 that genuinely kicks out over 530hp at the crank will walk all over a stock M3, and believing anything different is very naive.

Sorry.
Um I'm not stock...
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Um I'm not stock...
You need to read what you posted to Fruitcake. You said you beat a nodded B5 S4 the quickest of all Audis in your M3 and that was before fitting an exhaust or custom tune.

Either you made a mistake here and forgot that your car wasn't stock which would explain my confusion why you would stand a chance or like I said above that the guy in the S4 was telling porkies about his actual output figures because PTW is the only thing of importance when it comes to acceleration, especially so from a rolling start.
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      12-05-2009, 06:00 PM   #98
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You need to read what you posted to Fruitcake. You said you beat a nodded B5 S4 the quickest of all Audis in your M3 and that was before fitting an exhaust or custom tune.

Either you made a mistake here and forgot that your car wasn't stock which would explain my confusion why you would stand a chance or like I said above that the guy in the S4 was telling porkies about his actual output figures because PTW is the only thing of importance when it comes to acceleration, especially so from a rolling start.
If you look at the vid It says I had a flash and no cats. my muffler was still stock and there is a difference between a regular flash and a custom tune for a specific car. PW is a factor but not the only factor dunno where you got that from lol what about gearing, driver, traction, power curves etc.
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      12-05-2009, 06:10 PM   #99
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the s4 isnt in the same class in fact they did a comparison between s4 and 335. just go to youtube and type in s4 vs 335 and watch. by the way 335 just edges it out. AGAIN THE 335 BEATS THE S4. now we can not even compare s4 and the M3.
ok now lets talk rs4 vs m3. go to youtube and watch that video M3 slaughters c63 amg and Rs4 comes in 3rd. thank you
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      12-05-2009, 06:13 PM   #100
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all these...comparison is straight line right?
i was talking about on the track where the AWD is going to really kick some traction ass.
I think my argument is still going to stand pretty strong.
400+whp on a M3 without some hoosiers is going to have a hard time coming out of those slow corners while the S4 can just sling shot out even with 50rwhp less
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      12-05-2009, 06:24 PM   #101
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I think the point Fruitcake was making was that the S4 is easier to drive very quickly because of it's AWD system. That is not the same as actually being quicker but it's debatable that an average driver in an M3 would be quicker than the same person in the S4 and there is no doubt that adding power to the S4 will not make it an uncontrolably beast that could easily happen with a rwd car given similar increases in power.

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If the S4 you raced was claimed to be putting down close on 535hp at the crank and beat it in a stock M3 then someone was telling porkies because it should have been a walking session for the S4.
uh..thats what i mean

damn im retarded today, must be all them yummy fruit cakes
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Guys, talking with footie is a waste of time, at this point you might as well as label him a troll as all he ever does is take the anti-//M point of view. Audi is better, //M sucks. Really guys, you are wasting your time, its so biased its borderline pathetic.

Check out everyone of his posts, its always arguing how somehow there is something inferior about the //M. He is the guy you PM when you want to feel good about your decision to get rid of your //M or not buy one in the first place.

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      12-05-2009, 10:18 PM   #103
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where do you see the comparison that says 335 beats S4? i think edmunds, and C&D show different result.

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the s4 isnt in the same class in fact they did a comparison between s4 and 335. just go to youtube and type in s4 vs 335 and watch. by the way 335 just edges it out. AGAIN THE 335 BEATS THE S4. now we can not even compare s4 and the M3.
ok now lets talk rs4 vs m3. go to youtube and watch that video M3 slaughters c63 amg and Rs4 comes in 3rd. thank you
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Having owned a 335i, and driven both an M3 and 2010 S4, I can assure you that the M3 is by far the most satisfying car to drive. The S4 is a direct competitor to the 335, not an M3. The M3 is on a totally different level. That is why I turned in my 335i, and have an M3 on the way
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Having owned a 335i, and driven both an M3 and 2010 S4, I can assure you that the M3 is by far the most satisfying car to drive. The S4 is a direct competitor to the 335, not an M3. The M3 is on a totally different level. That is why I turned in my 335i, and have an M3 on the way
duly noted, and is the reason I won't think for a second to choose a 335 or S4 over the M3. Of course, both cars are easier and cheaper to mod to become faster than the M3, but stock form the M3 is brilliant and I with modified cars comes with extra problems. Been there done that with the E46, the E92 is a excellent car to enjoy 100% bone stock.
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uh..thats what i mean

damn im retarded today, must be all them yummy fruit cakes
no worries, at times it's hard to convey what you mean but at least some here understood you.
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This is NOT DEBATABLE, this is like saying a Subaru Outback is 'easier' to drive because it has AWD! PLEASE!

Every test about the M3 says HOW EASY IT IS to drive TO THE LIMIT!!!

The M3 beats the RS4 on the road course... if you want to make the argument there... I might agree... but the new S4... is the Audi's 335ix! And a 335ix is NOT EASIER to drive at the limit than an M3!

It's why the M3 is so commonly referred to as the 'Scalpel'.

This thread is as pointless as Footies feedback... M3 FTW EVERY TIME against a friggin POS V6 S4! PUHLEEZ!!!
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Guys, talking with footie is a waste of time, at this point you might as well as label him a troll as all he ever does is take the anti-//M point of view. Audi is better, //M sucks. Really guys, you are wasting your time, its so biased its borderline pathetic.

Check out everyone of his posts, its always arguing how somehow there is something inferior about the //M. He is the guy you PM when you want to feel good about your decision to get rid of your //M or not buy one in the first place.

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He actually owned a E92 M3 DCT and decided to get rid of it!!! You ride in a 335 which isn't an M3. Just because Footie authors post that are not necessarily ///M favorable that makes him a troll? He actually brings some intelligence and knowledge to this forum. What is going on around here?
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He actually owned a E92 M3 DCT and decided to get rid of it!!! You ride in a 335 which isn't an M3. Just because Footie authors post that are not necessarily ///M favorable that makes him a troll? He actually brings some intelligence and knowledge to this forum. What is going on around here?
Thanks for the support, though I don't really read much of what he writes as it's always spiteful with no real direction or construction discussion to any argument.
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