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      10-05-2009, 11:36 PM   #1
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what the hell has become of this country?

apparently Child Pron is out of control have we become a sick perverted?

Child porn has grown so pervasive on the Internet, they say, that police agencies all over the country, using the latest file-tracking technology, could easily spend every day finding and arresting offenders.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33181170...ime_and_courts
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apparently Child Pron is out of control have we become a sick perverted?

Child porn has grown so pervasive on the Internet, they say, that police agencies all over the country, using the latest file-tracking technology, could easily spend every day finding and arresting offenders.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33181170...ime_and_courts
San Francisco = the modern Sodom and Gomorrah

It's spreading like cancer.
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San Francisco = the modern Sodom and Gomorrah

It's spreading like cancer.
but read the article - its EVERYWHERE. that means no one;s kids are safe.
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but read the article - its EVERYWHERE. that means no one;s kids are safe.

Scott - this is where I struggle with Libertarian views? shouldn the government just stay out of this?
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This is where you need more govt.
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Scott - this is where I struggle with Libertarian views? shouldn the government just stay out of this?
I am not a Libertarian. Some of my views are compatible with Libertarianism. The U.S. government should be restrained by the Constitution as it was at the start. Each of the states should be the seat of power. What happens in each state is to be determined by each state.

The U.S. government has it's powers specifically enumerated and limited by the U.S. Constitution, but the document is not in effect today. This will likely not end well.
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I am not a Libertarian. Some of my views are compatible with Libertarianism. The U.S. government should be restrained by the Constitution as it was at the start. Each of the states should be the seat of power. What happens in each state is to be determined by each state.

The U.S. government has it's powers specifically enumerated and limited by the U.S. Constitution, but the document is not in effect today. This will likely not end well.
A slight derail but it all it essentially rooted in the abuse of the commerce clause that has led to the subordination of the states to federal power. Until a successful defense can be mounted against the commerce clause - the status quo will continue.
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San Francisco = the modern Sodom and Gomorrah

It's spreading like cancer.
Wait -- an article about child porn immediately brings up a connection to homosexuality in your mind?
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Wait -- an article about child porn immediately brings up a connection to homosexuality in your mind?
Which number is larger?
percentage of homosexuals that are pedophiles
percentage of heterosexuals that are pedophiles
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Which number is larger?
percentage of homosexuals that are pedophiles
percentage of heterosexuals that are pedophiles
I don't know the answer to your question.

However, how about not equating pedophilia with homosexuality? A pedophile is a person who engages in non-consensual acts with minors and children. A homosexual is a person who is attracted to other people of the same sex. I don't see the relationship there.

Or do you mean to suggest that homosexuality is linked to pedophilia?

What if I asked this?

Which number is larger?

% of males that are pedophiles
% of females that are pedophiles

Would you use the same logic to conclude that whichever of those percentages is higher (which I presume to be % of males) is indicative that being male is linked to pedophilia?
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I don't know the answer to your question.

However, how about not equating pedophilia with homosexuality? A pedophile is a person who engages in non-consensual acts with minors and children. A homosexual is a person who is attracted to other people of the same sex. I don't see the relationship there.

Or do you mean to suggest that homosexuality is linked to pedophilia?

What if I asked this?

Which number is larger?

% of males that are pedophiles
% of females that are pedophiles

Would you use the same logic to conclude that whichever of those percentages is higher (which I presume to be % of males) is indicative that being male is linked to pedophilia?

You can't use logic with scott on this topic. God told him homosexuals are evil, thus he believes all evil people are homosexuals.
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I don't know the answer to your question.

However, how about not equating pedophilia with homosexuality? A pedophile is a person who engages in non-consensual acts with minors and children. A homosexual is a person who is attracted to other people of the same sex. I don't see the relationship there.

Or do you mean to suggest that homosexuality is linked to pedophilia?

What if I asked this?

Which number is larger?

% of males that are pedophiles
% of females that are pedophiles

Would you use the same logic to conclude that whichever of those percentages is higher (which I presume to be % of males) is indicative that being male is linked to pedophilia?
Most parents trust their children with women much more than they trust their children with men. It doesn't mean that all men are pedophiles. I do not say that all homosexuals are pedophiles. Many homosexuals began as victims of pedophilia.
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You can't use logic with scott on this topic. God told him homosexuals are evil, thus he believes all evil people are homosexuals.
Homosexuals should change their ways. Repent of that great sin. Murderers should change their ways. Repent of that great sin. Haters of God should change their ways. Repent of that great sin. And everyone should repent of their own sins. Perhaps this reference will clarify the thought:
Romans 3:21-31

21But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. 22This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, 23for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. 25God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement,[i] through faith in his blood. He did this to demonstrate his justice, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished— 26he did it to demonstrate his justice at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus.

27Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. On what principle? On that of observing the law? No, but on that of faith. 28For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from observing the law. 29Is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles too? Yes, of Gentiles too, 30since there is only one God, who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through that same faith. 31Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law.
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Homosexuals should change their ways. Repent of that great sin. Murderers should change their ways. Repent of that great sin. Haters of God should change their ways. Repent of that great sin. And everyone should repent of their own sins. Perhaps this reference will clarify the thought:
Romans 3:21-31

21But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. 22This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, 23for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. 25God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement,[i] through faith in his blood. He did this to demonstrate his justice, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished— 26he did it to demonstrate his justice at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus.

27Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. On what principle? On that of observing the law? No, but on that of faith. 28For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from observing the law. 29Is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles too? Yes, of Gentiles too, 30since there is only one God, who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through that same faith. 31Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law.
Well the purple-unicorn-who-rides-a-unicyle-through-space that I believe in says that homosexuality is a genetic or biological issue and thus there is nothing wrong with it.

Or have you not read the Wonderful Book?
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Well the purple-unicorn-who-rides-a-unicyle-through-space that I believe in says that homosexuality is a genetic or biological issue and thus there is nothing wrong with it.

Or have you not read the Wonderful Book?
Are you a homosexual, a pedophile, or both?
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...homosexuality is a genetic or biological issue and thus there is nothing wrong with it.
If pedophilia were determined to be a "genetic or biological issue," would that mean there is nothing wrong with it either?
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Which number is larger?
percentage of homosexuals that are pedophiles
percentage of heterosexuals that are pedophiles
Neither. Catholic priest beat them both out
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If pedophilia were determined to be a "genetic or biological issue," would that mean there is nothing wrong with it either?
When someone attempts to disarm your premise, they'll start to realize how they are also unable to defend homosexuality on the same grounds.

I'm still waiting for the polygamist to come in here and ask to legally marry as many wives as they like since that precedent goes waaayyyyy further back in the history of man than homosexuality.
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Are you a homosexual, a pedophile, or both?
Neither.
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If pedophilia were determined to be a "genetic or biological issue," would that mean there is nothing wrong with it either?
Nope. Homosexual acts among consenting adults are none of my, or your business. Pedophilia, regardless of its root cause, involves someone who is not an adult and thus can not give consent. Simple, but I doubt you'll understand.
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If pedophilia were determined to be a "genetic or biological issue," would that mean there is nothing wrong with it either?
consent is the issue here. two legal adults can consent to have sex where as a minor cannot.




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