I guess the USA tolerates terrorists on our soil now.

[scottwww]

Originally Posted by ruxp

I've actually heard it's for ALL WHITE MALES, and while they're all in concentration camps, he's going to tax them at 75% and give their land to Mexicans!!!!1

That's HORRIBLE! Tell more.

When Obama toured the Buchenwald concentration camp in Germany did he carry a tape measure?

[ruxp]

Originally Posted by TexAg06

every dumbass lib rolls out the patriot act ignoring the fact that every single thing in it was already being done in some form it just consolidated it in one document, ignoring the fact that congress overwhelming voted for it i.e. dems.

next time you throw out the word idiot, make sure aren't posting like one already.

No, not "every single thing in it" was being done in some form. But even if it was, and even if Democrats voted for it, how does that change or excuse the fact that Bush & his party were behind it & that Bush & his party pushed for its renewal?

The claim was made that Democrats are taking away people's freedoms. But when Bush does it, it's ok, because he "loves his country." What a childish & emotionalist perspective..

[shpirate87]

Originally Posted by ruxp

No, not "every single thing in it" was being done in some form. But even if it was, and even if Democrats voted for it, how does that change or excuse the fact that Bush & his party were behind it & that Bush & his party pushed for its renewal?

The claim was made that Democrats are taking away people's freedoms. But when Bush does it, it's ok, because he "loves his country." What a childish & emotionalist perspective..

The Patriot Act did not take away any freedoms, that is the point.

[southlight]

Guys, let me remind you to keep the discussion civil. Otherwise I'd have to close this thread.


Best regards,
south

[stylinexpat]

Originally Posted by sayemthree

Amid his rant, Gadhafi praised President Obama, who spoke just before him. He began his speech by congratulating Obama on his election. Later he referred to him as "our son" and suggested he remain in power for life.

in the 80's we tried to kill him for sponsering terrorism. he also hugged the lockerby bomber who killed hundreds of innocent people.

I remember when our president hugged Ariel Sharon when he came to the US and called him an allie and a friend of the American people although Karma has caught up with him now. In case you forgot USS liberty was attacked and many Americans died.

http://www.rense.com/general39/pilot.htm

US leaders also hugged and welcomed this same man (Guilty of war crimes of which he refused to stand trial for in an international court) who came to the US.

[TexAg06]

Originally Posted by ruxp

No, not "every single thing in it" was being done in some form. But even if it was, and even if Democrats voted for it, how does that change or excuse the fact that Bush & his party were behind it & that Bush & his party pushed for its renewal?

The claim was made that Democrats are taking away people's freedoms. But when Bush does it, it's ok, because he "loves his country." What a childish & emotionalist perspective..

again, you show your ignorance.

[shpirate87]

Originally Posted by stylinexpat

I remember when our president hugged Ariel Sharon when he came to the US and called him an allie and a friend of the American people although Karma has caught up with him now. In case you forgot USS liberty was attacked and many Americans died.

http://www.rense.com/general39/pilot.htm

US leaders also hugged and welcomed this same man (Guilty of war crimes of which he refused to stand trial for in an international court) who came to the US.

Ah yes, Ariel Sharon, the man guilty of "having disregarded the prospect" that one group of Arabs would slaughter another group of Arabs...

Also, if he has NOT stood trial, how is he guilty? Maybe where you come from the verdict is first and trial second?

[ruxp]

Originally Posted by TexAg06

again, you show your ignorance.

Great rebuttal, bro!

Originally Posted by shpirate87

The Patriot Act did not take away any freedoms, that is the point.

Every single thing in the Patriot Act was not "being done in some form," so yes, it did take away and curtail freedoms and privacy.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig6/napolitano2.html

Aside from that, even if those things were being done in some fashion or another, Bush clearly was behind formalized legislation making these uncontestable privileges of government.

Which freedoms has Obama taken away thus far, btw?

[shpirate87]

Originally Posted by ruxp

Great rebuttal, bro!



Every single thing in the Patriot Act was not "being done in some form," so yes, it did take away and curtail freedoms and privacy.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig6/napolitano2.html

Aside from that, even if those things were being done in some fashion or another, Bush clearly was behind formalized legislation making these uncontestable privileges of government.

Which freedoms has Obama taken away thus far, btw?

Have I ever claimed Obama has taken away freedoms? He is trying though.

Nothing in the Patriot Act is incontestable, the courts still exist.

[scottwww]

Originally Posted by ruxp

Not really. Qaddafi made a calculated political move, the kind he's been known for since the 1970s. If you had more than a very superficial understanding of who he was as a leader, that would be readily apparent.

I have only a superficial understanding of Qaddafi. What would you have to say about him to fill out that understanding a little more?

[stylinexpat]

Originally Posted by shpirate87

Ah yes, Ariel Sharon, the man guilty of "having disregarded the prospect" that one group of Arabs would slaughter another group of Arabs...

Also, if he has NOT stood trial, how is he guilty? Maybe where you come from the verdict is first and trial second?

When someone denies the Holocaust there are many that get upset and yet it is funny to see how one can deny the war crimes that Ariel Sharon committed Those that have been accused of war crimes have refused to stand trial in an international court.

[shpirate87]

Originally Posted by stylinexpat

When someone denies the Holocaust there are many that get upset and yet it is funny to see how one can deny the war crimes that Ariel Sharon committed Those that have been accused of war crimes have refused to stand trial in an international court.

Are you honestly comparing Holocaust denial to denying that Sharon (as Defense Minister) had some legal obligation to prevent Phalangist militiamen from taking revenge for the assassination of their leader?

Israel (like the US) has not accepted the jurisdiction of the International Criminal Court. Which international court do you think he should stand trial in? Seeing as he is in a coma, how could he assist in his own defense?

[sayemthree]

Originally Posted by TexAg06

next time you throw out the word idiot, make sure aren't posting like one already.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[jaiman]

Originally Posted by sayemthree

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Have you never heard the proverb about people who live in fragile, transparent domiciles not wanting to propel naturally occurring solid aggregates of minerals in the direction of others fragile and transparent domiciles?