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      09-16-2009, 01:12 AM   #1
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Jimmy Carter says animosity toward Obama based on race

Jimmy Carter Speaks out about the Rightís Racism towards Obama
Submitted by jmeasley on Tue, 09/15/2009 - 21:58.



In a piece on the NBC Nightly News former president Jimmy Carter stated the obvious. Many of the people who hate President Barack Obama the deepest hate him because he is black. Carter said, "I think an overwhelming portion of the intensely demonstrated animosity toward President Barack Obama is based on the fact that he is a black man."

President Carter said, "I think an overwhelming portion of the intensely demonstrated animosity toward President Barack Obama is based on the fact that he is a black man," Carter said. "I live in the South, and I've seen the South come a long way, and I've seen the rest of the country that share the South's attitude toward minority groups at that time, particularly African Americans."

He continued, "And that racism inclination still exists. And I think it's bubbled up to the surface because of the belief among many white people, not just in the South but around the country, that African-Americans are not qualified to lead this great country. It's an abominable circumstance, and it grieves me and concerns me very deeply."



Carterís thoughtful analysis has a great deal of merit. I get very uncomfortable with liberals who lay the blanket charge of racism on anyone who disagrees with Obama, but if one overlays the map of where Obama struggles the most politically, with a map of the segregated South, they match up very well. There is an obvious racial element, not to the opposition, but to the fear that is guiding the opposition to this president.

Republicans demonized Bill Clinton for his personal shortcomings, but this was nothing compared to level of demonization that Obama has undergone. Obama has been called a communist, a socialist, a black militant, a racist, and a person who isnít qualified to be president because he wasnít born in this country. Some of these charges like the socialist one are old of the right wingís playbook from bygone decades.

The newer charges against this president all seem to track back to race. Obama is a secret black militant. Obama was born in Kenya, and Obama is a racist all play into fears that the black man is out to get whitey. This panic within the GOP should have been more anticipated because the party has become old, white, and Southern.

President Carter is correct. Obamaís election did not resolve the race issue in America. If anything the election of Barack Obama has made the people with racist beliefs more extreme. While the vast majority of Americans arenít racist, it seems that the racists are screaming the loudest. It is democratic to oppose any president based on policy grounds, but it shameful when anyone is guided by race based hatred and fear.
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playin the RACE card again for the party, he should go back to peanut farming. he is voted one of the worst presidents ever.
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Sorry, but Obama could be the whitest man in the world, and I still wouldn't agree with his politics, positions and the reckless speed with which he is pushing his agenda. It hasn't got a single thing to do with race, not one, but everything to do with policy and politics.



But at least we both agree that Kayne West is a jackass! See, we've found some common ground after all!
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playin the RACE card again for the party, he should go back to peanut farming. he is voted one of the worst presidents ever.
Man you always have to chime in with something crappy to say. You really are a sad person, did someone beat you up as a child? First you need to grow up and realize that not everyone thinks like you, and MORE importantly, that those people who don't think like you aren't necessarily a lesser person just because they don't agree with you. (If you haven't realized it by now, you are a textbook fanatic).

You also are in some delusion that there is no racism and if racism is called out for what it is then its a 'card'. What a nice circle of logic you live in, deny reality and when someone tries to bring reality up front you try to demonize them.

On a side note, after my earlier thread on the standing of the republican party I came to the realization its just an issue of education. The uneducated and people who have never been exposed to the real world are the ones with all these crazy ideas, circular logic and fanaticism. We really need to improve the education system in this country so we don't have to deal with people like the above poster in the future....

saymthree, obviously you will never admit it here or in public, but we both know that you are a racist. You've made that clear from all your posts. You need to learn to get over your racism, i'm sure you won't and probably deny you are a racist to yourself but in your head are always making racist comments. In the long run, you are boxing yourself into a bad place in life and really you'll never be a happy person.
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Anyone who vocally disagrees with BO is a racist. That's basically the vibe they're trying to get.

I'm sorry but there are many things about him I don't like, and I could give two shits whether he's black or not. The only race-related complaint I have about the President is that his race itself, and the issues surrounding that, are obviously impeding progress.

I thought it was awesome that he called Kanye a jackass. I think BO is pretty real and somewhat down to earth, which I respect. But there are also many things I don't like, and I'm tired of being told that I only don't like these things because of my racist ideologies.

In order to move past the race issue, you have to ignore the true racists and quit bringing it up from the "victimized" side as well. It won't die, or even lessen, because NEITHER SIDE DOES ANYTHING TO HELP THE ISSUE.
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Is or was the overwhelming portion of the intensely demonstrated animosity toward President Carter based on the fact that he is a white man?

The answer should be the same.
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Is or was the overwhelming portion of the intensely demonstrated animosity toward President Carter based on the fact that he is a white man?

The answer should be the same.
Exactly.

Race isn't an issue until someone makes it one. Sure there will always be confederate flag wavin', Bud Light chuggin', lifted pickup drivin' NASCAR fans who will shout ni**er at every opportunity just because they're too ignorant to know any better, and this is a fact of life you will just have to live with. There will be people who don't like you for reasons you can't control. Oh well. However, a lot of this "racism" talk seems to be coming from the left, creating issues out of any event that opposes what the President (or his party or associates) wants.

I don't think that every time a minority claims racism that it is playing the race card. Not at all. I know racism exists, from all races, towards all other races, in every walk of life and society. That's just it. Period. The way it is. There will be ignorant people all over the world no matter how hard you boycott it or think you can change it. However, the "race card" refers to relying on racism as a scapegoat or quick out. People know "racism" is a scary word and that you don't ever want to be billed as a "racist". Fear of being categorized as such is a powerful tool. Just as racism evolved, those who are victims of it have learned how to use it to their advantage as well. There are race mongers just as there are fear mongers.

That being said, I think Obama defeated the race issue when he was elected. What more do you want to prove that America is ok with a black president, than the fact that he was elected by majority vote, and pretty handily at that...? It's just since his policies and tactics have been critiqued that his image and approval rating has gone down. He hasn't gotten more black since he got elected...

Every time I hear the issue of race being brought up about the President, the same quote plays through my head, in the silly voice:

"Move along people. Nothing to see here."
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Man you always have to chime in with something crappy to say. You really are a sad person, did someone beat you up as a child? First you need to grow up and realize that not everyone thinks like you, and MORE importantly, that those people who don't think like you aren't necessarily a lesser person just because they don't agree with you. (If you haven't realized it by now, you are a textbook fanatic).

You also are in some delusion that there is no racism and if racism is called out for what it is then its a 'card'. What a nice circle of logic you live in, deny reality and when someone tries to bring reality up front you try to demonize them.

On a side note, after my earlier thread on the standing of the republican party I came to the realization its just an issue of education. The uneducated and people who have never been exposed to the real world are the ones with all these crazy ideas, circular logic and fanaticism. We really need to improve the education system in this country so we don't have to deal with people like the above poster in the future....

saymthree, obviously you will never admit it here or in public, but we both know that you are a racist. You've made that clear from all your posts. You need to learn to get over your racism, i'm sure you won't and probably deny you are a racist to yourself but in your head are always making racist comments. In the long run, you are boxing yourself into a bad place in life and really you'll never be a happy person.
Look in the mirror, oh dillusional one.

It's easy to see you live every second of your life trying to find racism in the smallest minute most neurotic detail you can. Your blatant claims of racism are not justified, nor can they be for any single one of us that post on this board.
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Exactly.

Race isn't an issue until someone makes it one. Sure there will always be confederate flag wavin', Bud Light chuggin', lifted pickup drivin' NASCAR fans who will shout ni**er at every opportunity just because they're too ignorant to know any better, and this is a fact of life you will just have to live with. There will be people who don't like you for reasons you can't control. Oh well. However, a lot of this "racism" talk seems to be coming from the left, creating issues out of any event that opposes what the President (or his party or associates) wants.

I don't think that every time a minority claims racism that it is playing the race card. Not at all. I know racism exists, from all races, towards all other races, in every walk of life and society. That's just it. Period. The way it is. There will be ignorant people all over the world no matter how hard you boycott it or think you can change it. However, the "race card" refers to relying on racism as a scapegoat or quick out. People know "racism" is a scary word and that you don't ever want to be billed as a "racist". Fear of being categorized as such is a powerful tool. Just as racism evolved, those who are victims of it have learned how to use it to their advantage as well. There are race mongers just as there are fear mongers.

That being said, I think Obama defeated the race issue when he was elected. What more do you want to prove that America is ok with a black president, than the fact that he was elected by majority vote, and pretty handily at that...? It's just since his policies and tactics have been critiqued that his image and approval rating has gone down. He hasn't gotten more black since he got elected...

Every time I hear the issue of race being brought up about the President, the same quote plays through my head, in the silly voice:

"Move along people. Nothing to see here."
-Officer Barbrady
I agree with most of what you said, but I don't believe Obama defeated the race issue when he was elected. If you're younger than 45 I can understand why you might feel as you do that race is a non issue.

Remember, just 45 years ago we still had jim crow laws institutionally dividing the country by race, and restricting where blacks could go and what they could do. The experience of this unfortunate part of our nations history still lives in a lot of people, both black and white, especially those 50 and over and particularly those who lived in the south. I'm not saying all Southern Americans 50 and over are racist, I'm saying they experience race in a way most younger Americans don't. I believe this is a good thing, really.

Race will probably always be an issue to some degree but I believe over the next 25 - 30 years race will slowly become less of an issue than it is today. Until then the memories and sensitivities of those who experienced institutionalized bigotry from both perspectives will keep race alive as an issue.
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Even the Whitehouse knows it's not racism.
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White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said Mr Obama "does not believe that the criticism comes based on the colour of his skin".

We understand that people have disagreements with some of the decisions that we've made and some of the extraordinary actions that had to be undertaken by this administration," Mr Gibbs said.

Mr Obama has been met with angry protests in recent weeks. Some people have not only protested against the president's policies but have accused him of tyranny and have promised to "reclaim America".
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Anyone who vocally disagrees with BO is a racist. That's basically the vibe they're trying to get.

I'm sorry but there are many things about him I don't like, and I could give two shits whether he's black or not. The only race-related complaint I have about the President is that his race itself, and the issues surrounding that, are obviously impeding progress.

I thought it was awesome that he called Kanye a jackass. I think BO is pretty real and somewhat down to earth, which I respect. But there are also many things I don't like, and I'm tired of being told that I only don't like these things because of my racist ideologies.

In order to move past the race issue, you have to ignore the true racists and quit bringing it up from the "victimized" side as well. It won't die, or even lessen, because NEITHER SIDE DOES ANYTHING TO HELP THE ISSUE.
I agree with you 100% on both of your posts you made. The one thing that makes me lean towards race being an issue is that basic rules of civility seem to be broken with BO. I remember during the heat of hate towards president clinton, where he was a laughing stock and the butt of every joke on earth. Even through that turmoil, I don't think anyone went as far to yell out and call him a liar during a presidential speech. That is just basic respect to a president, no matter who he is or what party he is from.

But to see that happen to the president while giving a speech to congress, I think was a little too shocking and people are perfectly in the right to wonder why a congressman would do something like that.

Mr. Wilson claimed that it was just an emotional topic of healthcare reform that made him loose his cool for a moments lapse in judgement. But lets look at the facts. A black president specifically references free health care for illegal immigrants (most commonly thought of as hispanics) and this drives a southern white man to get emotional enough to break all congressional mores of professionalism and respect for the present. Its not exactly a leap of judgement to think that race is an issue here, enough of an issue to make his blood boil to the point that he needed to call the president a liar.

How many times have you seen or heard something so rediculous, but because of the setting you were in you just played it smart and bit your lip. Happens to me all the time, now imaging how bad the situation would have to be for me to call someone out on it in such a formal and televised situation. For me, it would have to be something that so violates my core of ethics and standards. For a congressman, listening to a politician lie is a daily routine, nothing out of the ordinary, so I dont think hearing someone lie was so offensive to him.
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I agree with you 100% on both of your posts you made. The one thing that makes me lean towards race being an issue is that basic rules of civility seem to be broken with BO.
Politics have never been civil. Not now, not under Bush, not under Clinton, not even 150 years ago. It simply seems as if it has been civil in your mind because people have short memories and for the last 8 years you disagreed with the president and agreed with the people criticizing him (even if you didn't agree with the criticism itself).

Look back at the Bush presidency.... People called him a liar. People called him a racist. People called him Hitler. People compared him to various dictators throughout history. There were books written romanticizing his fictional assassination. And so on, and so on... What's different between then and now? We don't have the book yet.

Will someone write a similar book about Obama? Unfortunately they probably will. Will it be lauded as an important book that people should read the way the book about Bush was? Probably not. Hopefully not.

Is a portion of the opposition against Obama racial? Probably. There are sadly still people on BOTH SIDES of the isle that have racial demons but they are a small minority on BOTH SIDES. That being said, claims that the criticism of his policies are due to the color of his skin are completely off-base and either disingenuous or ill-informed. Often those accusations tell you more about the person making the accusation than the one being accused.

IMO people need to use a lot more caution when throwing around that word. It cheapens the struggle of those who fought true racism. It's also thrown around so casually these days that people have begun to stop taking that charge seriously. Hell, with the way it's been thrown around for the last several years a lot of people are now conditioned to think the person claiming racism is a bigger racist than the one being accused of being racist.
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let's see a recorded racist is calling everyone else racists. sounds like someone has a problem with white guilt.
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But to see that happen to the president while giving a speech to congress, I think was a little too shocking and people are perfectly in the right to wonder why a congressman would do something like that.

Yes, having one person yell "you lie!" is a little too shocking. Now, having half the chamber boo and hiss at the president, now that is perfectly acceptable....



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Yes, having one person yell "you lie!" is a little too shocking. Now, having half the chamber boo and hiss at the president, now that is perfectly acceptable....



Thanks for the video. But you forget that Bush never was the Messiah.
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Yes, having one person yell "you lie!" is a little too shocking. Now, having half the chamber boo and hiss at the president, now that is perfectly acceptable....



There is a difference between yelling "you lie" because you are a moronic right winger who doesn't know what you are talking about.

and booing and hissing at someone who actually did lie, over, and over, and over, and over again.
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There is a difference between yelling "you lie" because you are a moronic right winger who doesn't know what you are talking about.

and booing and hissing at someone who actually did lie, over, and over, and over, and over again.
Both are against the decorum of the institution however. Nobody should be booing or yelling at any president in that arena. There are times for that.
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well president bush never told any good jokes, and wasn't that good at speaking, maybe they were just booing his communication skills.
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There is a difference between yelling "you lie" because you are a moronic right winger who doesn't know what you are talking about.

and booing and hissing at someone who actually did lie, over, and over, and over, and over again.
hahhahahahahaha i guess BDS is still going strong.

what a freaking moron.
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There is a difference between yelling "you lie" because you are a moronic right winger who doesn't know what you are talking about.

and booing and hissing at someone who actually did lie, over, and over, and over, and over again.
Both are wrong. Don't try to justify it.
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hahhahahahahaha i guess BDS is still going strong.

what a freaking moron.
now listen here you commie, i ain't got no BDS, but damn i get an acute onset of paranoia in reaction to the policies, the presidency ó nay ó the very existence of George W. Bush.

That guy was just no good, i mean i enjoyed his occasional mess ups while talking, it was like watching a kid with downs trying to read "the little engine that could" but he just kind of messed stuff up big time.

but i ain't got no BDS, you commie.
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