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      09-18-2009, 09:48 AM   #45
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Article 134 applies to everybody as the 'catch-all' article and can and has been used for speech which would be considered prejudicial to good order:
Yes, 134 is a bitch. And techically you could say anything could be covered under it, hence the "catch-all" reputation it has. I've sat in on many Article 134 Office Hours, some of which were unfortunate example-making sessions. I was alluding to the fact that there is nothing specifically addressing the issue. 134 can be used if you don't properly blouse your boots in the morning as well. It can be used for anything. If they want to burn you at the stake, they will.
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As he just said, he's nothing more than the type to just copy someone else's list and pass it off as his own thoughts.

Also it doesn't matter if you tried to refute any of his "arguments". IT is very clear, from his posts, that he has no want to figure things out, to get the answers he is looking for. HE is only using this as a means to vocalize his displeasure with a president in office that he didn't vote for.

Guess what scottwww, he won the vote fair and square. If you actually cared about your country you would respect that he WON THE ELECTION. Don't go trying to find some Whitewater type gotcha.

The Republicans lost the election, the Democrats won. Deal with it.
We'll ALL be dealing with it soon enough....
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The Republicans lost the election, the Democrats won. Deal with it.
The point of the election is for the American people to win, not either Dem or Republicans. This is exactly the kind of shit that keeps us from getting shit done.
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The point of the election is for the American people to win, not either Dem or Republicans. This is exactly the kind of shit that keeps us from getting shit done.
And that right there is the problem in American politics today. People would prefer that their guy is in office rather than the best guy.
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And that right there is the problem in American politics today. People would prefer that their guy is in office rather than the best guy.
Problem is, both major parties presented less-than-ideal candidates in 2008. You had your choice between "tax and spend" and "borrow and spend," their key purpose in either event to give money to those who helped get them in office. The entire institution is broken. We marvel at our election process, but how great is it really? Two choices is pretty much one step above no choice. Hell, even if a third party candidate were to be elected, there would be no Congressional support (one of my quarrels with most third party groups is that they try to work from the top down -- they should work from the bottom up).

Term limits for Congress-critters, too, perhaps?
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Problem is, both major parties presented less-than-ideal candidates in 2008. You had your choice between "tax and spend" and "borrow and spend," their key purpose in either event to give money to those who helped get them in office. The entire institution is broken. We marvel at our election process, but how great is it really? Two choices is pretty much one step above no choice. Hell, even if a third party candidate were to be elected, there would be no Congressional support (one of my quarrels with most third party groups is that they try to work from the top down -- they should work from the bottom up).

Term limits for Congress-critters, too, perhaps?
I could't vote for either of the two major party candidates last election. Either way we were doomed to end up with a fraud and a usurper. The nation is headed toward despotism.
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I could't vote for either of the two major party candidates last election. Either way we were doomed to end up with a fraud and a usurper. The nation is headed toward despotism.
Funny that i posted this the same day...

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showpos...8&postcount=42
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Funny that i posted this the same day...

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showpos...8&postcount=42
The times, they are a changin'.
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"Clean" money at work...
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NEW YORK (Reuters) - Hassan Nemazee, a fund-raiser for Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton and other Democrats, has been indicted for defrauding Bank of America, HSBC and Citigroup Inc out of more than $290 million in loan proceeds, U.S. prosecutors said on Monday.
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I guess this must be a government school where they are teaching children to praise the guy. This is sick!

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Do you think that we'll be able to pick what type of frame we want to hang the mandatory portrait of Hussein in our houses?
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Do you think that we'll be able to pick what type of frame we want to hang the mandatory portrait of Hussein in our houses?
It would have to look like a dart board.

I told my grade school kid that if they start getting taught an Obama song, just say, "No, I can't" and be sure to tell me about it. I would have to go down to the school and have words with them. Just words...
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When I was in elementary school, they taught us to think critically, to pose difficult questions, and to make thoughtful analyses? Now They're teaching children to sing songs blindly praising the president? What is this, the Hitler Youth?
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Do you think that we'll be able to pick what type of frame we want to hang the mandatory portrait of Hussein in our houses?
No, but we might get to choose our favorite color for our armbands.
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Wow, that hasn't even come close to making a headline anywhere in the country. Funny, isn't that?
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Wow, that hasn't even come close to making a headline anywhere in the country. Funny, isn't that?
It's not in their planned talking points. The much of the mainstream "news" services are just cheerleaders and accomplices. If they changed that tactic, I probably wouldn't know as I have largely stopped paying attention to them.
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When I was in elementary school, they taught us to think critically, to pose difficult questions, and to make thoughtful analyses? Now They're teaching children to sing songs blindly praising the president? What is this, the Hitler Youth?
I tell you what, i normally take everything with a grain of salt. But when i saw this the thought of that, along with people being arrested for opposing the dictator came rushing to my mind.
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Just unbelievable. Corporate prayer to the Obamessiah.

DELIVER US OBAMA!

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Today at the White House Easter Egg Roll, dozens of children “from the stricken Gulf Coast region serenaded First Lady Laura Bush with a song praising the beleaguered Federal Emergency Management Agency.” To the tune of “Hey Look Me Over,” the kids from Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama sang:

Our country’s stood beside us
People have sent us aid.
Katrina could not stop us, our hopes will never fade.
Congress, Bush and FEMA
People across our land
Together have come to rebuild us and we join them hand-in-hand!
Story here


It's the same story but with a couple different players. Did you all cry out then too? Or is this criticism more of the same that you continually spew forth?

Constant complaining from so many in here. This isn't a political forum this has turned into the "I want to complain about Obama forum". And it isn't like there are decent arguments put forth. It's just constant bithcing and "he didn't do this" The more I read posts from scottwww, shpirate, septro, et all , all I can hear in their writings is that they are very unhappy the last election didn't go their way. And rather than have any real debate, you guys are bringing up outrageous things like Obama is the anti-christ, or Obama isn't the real president because I don't agree with his birth certificate.

The lot of sound like a bunch of whining babies, who didn't get their way. And your posts back that up, time and time again. Especially with statements like "If the election was to happen again today".

You can try and prove your points over and over again, but your true skin has long since shown through. You are just bitter and want a forum to voice it ... and that's all this forum is, a place for you to go "WARRRGARRBL", and that's it.
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This came to my email:
Thank you for sharing your doltish e-mail forwards with us. I have an equally intelligent and germane e-mail forward about folding a $20 bill so it looked like the Twin Towers.

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Barack Obama is less of a person than an image— a brand. People see whatever they want as they do on a Rorschach test. But does anyone really know him?
In fact, he is:
As opposed to every other president since JFK, who the entire voting populace knew personally, and whose images were not marketed to the masses via television.
[*]An empty suit.

Isn't this a bit subjective/childish?
[*]A man with no birth certificate.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama...ertificate.asp [snopes.com is a well-known internet site which debunks popular urban legends]
[*]A man who was deserted in childhood by his biological father.

This is relevant how? Judging someone for being deserted by their father is seriously ignorant.
[*]A man whose birth records, both in the United States and Kenya, are sealed by government order.

a) He doesn't have any birth records in Kenya
b) The birth certificates of everyone born in Hawaii in 1961 are sealed by government order.
[*]A man whose childhood mentor, Frank Marshall Davis, spied on U.S. military installations in Hawaii for the Soviet Union, edited a communist newspaper, authored pornographic novels, and wrote poetry in praise of Joseph Stalin.

Have you actually read what Obama has said about Frank Marshall Davis? The idea that he was his "childhood mentor" is totally baseless and absurd speculation.

[*]A man mentored by and still supported by radical Muslims.

Which radical Muslims mentored Barack Obama & which radical Muslims support him? For that matter, what is a "radical" Muslim? What standard are you using to identify radicals vs moderates?

Are you aware that GWB was heavily supported by "radical Muslims" in 2000, both in the US & abroad?
[*]A man who promised transparency in government, but has spent over a million dollars in legal fees hiding information that would determine his eligibility to be President.

This is patently false, although it'd be irrelevant even if it wasn't.
[*]A former drug user.

Like George W. Bush, and Bill Clinton before him. And probably every president we're ever going to have from now on. Again, not that it's relevant (the "former" qualification kind of makes it pointless and petty to even bring up).
[*]A man whose academic records are sealed from kindergarten through law school.

No they aren't. Also, we know that Obama graduated magna cum laude
from Harvard Law. You know what that means, right?

[*]A man who arrived in New York in June of 1981 without enough money to get a hotel room, but one month later flew to Indonesia and Pakistan.

Cool story bro
[*]Why did he go?

His mom lived there.
[*]Who paid his expenses?

His parents/grandparents
[*]A man who traveled to Pakistan when it was illegal for U.S. citizens to do so. So what country’s passport did he use?

Uh, it's never been illegal for US citizens to travel to Pakistan. The amount of lurid speculation, ignorance, and outright lies in this list are very illustrative and indicative of the sort of people who spread nonsense like this.

[*]A man whose Law School Admission Test scores and grades at Columbia University are known to have been mediocre, but was admitted to Harvard Law School through the intervention of a Saudi named Khalid al-Mansour.

Lol, how are they "known to have been mediocre" if they were sealed?! This is really too funny. Also, everything in that statement is completely false. Sutton wrote him the letter of recommendation, not Khalid al Mansour.

Not that it should matter to anyone but a racist xenophobe whether or not a Saudi named "Khalid al Mansour" (ooh, that sounds mozlemic!) helped Obama get into Harvard. Although I guess even to them, it's excusable when the Bush family is in bed with the Saudi royals, as they have been since the 1980s (back then they were in bed with Saddam, too).

Is there a single unbiased source you can cite for your "facts?"

[*]A law review editor who never published an article in any law review.

Uh yeah, he reviewed them. That's what his role was.
[*]A lawyer with no significant accomplishments in the law and no reputation in the legal community.

You seem to have a very superficial understanding of what a "lawyer" is. Less TV, more books.
[*]A former State and U.S. Senator, who never authored a piece of legislation.

This is a complete falsehood.
[*]A disciple of the Marxist Saul Alinsky.

Alinsky wasn't a Marxist. In what sense is Obama a "disciple" of his?
[*]A product of the Chicago political machine—the most corrupt political organization in America.

Do you realize how dumb it sounds to attempt to imply that he's necessarily bad and corrupt because he came from Chicago?
[*]A man who selects Marxists, corrupt politicians, and criminals as his close political associates and personal friends.

Examples? Care to go over a list of close personal friends of GWB, or for that matter, the hero of the right, Ronald Reagan?
[*]A man whose presidential candidacy was endorsed by the Democratic Socialists of America, the Socialist International, and the Workers International League.

Yeah, and John McCain was endorsed by the KKK. But those who voted against him were generally intelligent enough to realize that John McCain can't control who endorses him and who doesn't, so this never became a point of contention.
[*]A man lauded for the literary brilliance of two memoirs, both of which were ghostwritten by others.

Another lie
[*]A so-called Christian who says that knowing when human life begins is “above his pay-grade,” but somehow knows that abortion is permissible at any stage.

[*]A man who thinks “waterboarding” is immoral, but that partial-birth abortion is moral.


[*]A man who publicly laments slavery in America—which was abolished 150 years ago—but praises Islam, which still practices both slavery and the sexual mutilation of young girls.

How does Islam "practice slavery" or anything else? Islam is a religion. That's like saying "Christianity is down at the bar playing darts with Buddhism." How can you expect anyone to take you seriously when you talk like that? Anyway, slavery is discouraged in Islam, and sexual mutilation of young girls is not permitted.

[*]A man who speaks endlessly about helping the less fortunate, but gives almost none of his sizeable income to charity—not even to his half-brother, who is living in squalor in Kenya.


Quote:
But reports surfaced in the past few days, springing from an Italian Vanity Fair article saying George Obama is living in a shack and "earning less than a dollar a day."

The reports left him angry.

"I was brought up well. I live well even now," he said. "The magazines, they have exaggerated everything.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/...obama.brother/

FWIW, Obama has only met his half brother once in his life, for a few minutes. How many of your relatives that you've never met do you support?

[*]A man who had the most left-wing voting record in the United State Senate, but was predicted by the press to “govern from the middle.”

How do you determine what is a "left wing voting record?" Why is what the press says relevant?
[*]A man who has never created a job, met a payroll, or even operated a lemonade stand, but wants to tell Detroit how to make cars.

Really? Obama wants to tell Detroit how to make cars? What on earth are you referring to? Also, WTF does creating a job or meeting a payroll have to do with knowing how to make cars?

[*]A President who has never before served as an executive in either the private or the public sector.

Well, he has now.
[*]A Commander-in-Chief who doesn’t know how to shoot a rifle, throw a hand-grenade, drive a tank, fly a plane, or con a ship.

Yeah, this reduces his efficacy because presidents normally do those kinds of things on a daily basis as part of their job.
[*]A Commander-in-Chief who has publicly divulged some of our nation’s most important intelligence secrets.

Such as?
[*]A man who has been put in charge of the largest economic engine that ever existed, but has never invested in the stock market and admits total ignorance of it.

This is false.

Also,

http://blogs.wsj.com/capitaljournal/...k-market-guru/

[*]A President who says that science will guide his administration, but has no education in the sciences.

As opposed to any Republican candidate, or any candidate you support that would scream about evolution being a "theory?" How does he need to have a formal education in the sciences in order for his administration to be guided by science, by the way?
[*]A man who is proficient in reading what is written for him on a teleprompter, but jerks and stammers his way through any off-the-cuff speaking.

Uh, right. You mean like when he went on the O'Reilly Factor? The man is an excellent public speaker, teleprompter or not, and that's part of why he's president. Also, at least he can use a teleprompter, unlike his bumbling predecessor..



[*]A man whose health records are sealed from childhood to the present day.

This applies to every single person in the US.
[*]A man whose educational records are sealed from childhood through law school.

The person who wrote this wasn't paying attention to what they were writing (this is a repeat).

I could continue, but I've gotten bored. Basically, this list is tripe, and it's not surprising that it is. The political stances of your average Republican are most often found conveyed in/on either a) talk radio, b) e-mail forwards, and c) bumper stickers, probably most intelligently in the last.
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Thank you for sharing your doltish e-mail forwards with us. I have an equally intelligent and germane e-mail forward about folding a $20 bill so it looked like the Twin Towers...
ruxp,

Your reply was great. I especially like the bit about how the prior president couldn't even USE a teleprompter. Or a freakin' door handle:



But don't expect a rational response from someone who uses bible scripture to try and prove his point that Obama is "evil". Source
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Story here


It's the same story but with a couple different players. Did you all cry out then too? Or is this criticism more of the same that you continually spew forth?

Constant complaining from so many in here. This isn't a political forum this has turned into the "I want to complain about Obama forum". And it isn't like there are decent arguments put forth. It's just constant bithcing and "he didn't do this" The more I read posts from scottwww, shpirate, septro, et all , all I can hear in their writings is that they are very unhappy the last election didn't go their way. And rather than have any real debate, you guys are bringing up outrageous things like Obama is the anti-christ, or Obama isn't the real president because I don't agree with his birth certificate.

The lot of sound like a bunch of whining babies, who didn't get their way. And your posts back that up, time and time again. Especially with statements like "If the election was to happen again today".

You can try and prove your points over and over again, but your true skin has long since shown through. You are just bitter and want a forum to voice it ... and that's all this forum is, a place for you to go "WARRRGARRBL", and that's it.

Let's get one thing straight:

The students that sung to Laura Bush were invited to do so, while the students portrayed in the many Youtube videos circulating were in an entirely different sitiation.

You cannot blame the outcry and publicity in response to all of the viral Obama videos because this kind of behavior is EXACTLY what his administration and his ideology are seen to represent.

(socialism).

It's surely not fair to say that every facet of his administration is based on this idea, but it sure is oftentimes prevalent.

The answer to your question is a matter of association.
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