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      09-13-2009, 03:58 PM   #23
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On what planet is saying, "I guess they don't want us to remember that 8 years ago we were attacked by Muslims" racist?

Eight years ago we WERE attacked by Muslims. The men who planned the attack, trained the attackers, funded the attack, hijacked those planes and killed 3000 people had one thing in common, they were Muslims. They weren't Methodists, Buddhists, Catholics, or Jews. They were Muslims and did it because they believed Islam demanded it of them. Sticking your head in the sand because you are offended by the truth is not only stupid it is dangerous.

Also, Muslim is not a race.
They didn't believe Islam demanded it of them, try reading AQ members' own statements (readily available on the internet). Obviously YOU believe that islam demanded it of them. Popular media really worked well on you over the last few years. Ever heard the phrase "know your enemy". You will loose every time if you don't know what your enemy is really about, stop being a retarded brainwashed hick and do your research and find out why they are at war with us if you want to win.

BTW, I know you keep repeating the line 'Also, Muslim is not a race', but thats not really much of an escape from the fact that you are a racist. Sorry, we all know it already.
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They didn't believe Islam demanded it of them, try reading AQ members' own statements (readily available on the internet). Obviously YOU believe that islam demanded it of them. Popular media really worked well on you over the last few years. Ever heard the phrase "know your enemy". You will loose every time if you don't know what your enemy is really about, stop being a retarded brainwashed hick and do your research and find out why they are at war with us if you want to win.
I'm going to assume that you are just ignorant instead of stupid.

The fatwa issued on February 23, 1998 and signed by Usama bin Laden and Ayman al-Zawahiri:

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Praise be to God, who revealed the Book, controls the clouds, defeats factionalism, and says in His Book: "But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war)"; and peace be upon our Prophet, Muhammad Bin-'Abdallah, who said: I have been sent with the sword between my hands to ensure that no one but God is worshipped, God who put my livelihood under the shadow of my spear and who inflicts humiliation and scorn on those who disobey my orders.

The Arabian Peninsula has never -- since God made it flat, created its desert, and encircled it with seas -- been stormed by any forces like the crusader armies spreading in it like locusts, eating its riches and wiping out its plantations. All this is happening at a time in which nations are attacking Muslims like people fighting over a plate of food. In the light of the grave situation and the lack of support, we and you are obliged to discuss current events, and we should all agree on how to settle the matter.

No one argues today about three facts that are known to everyone; we will list them, in order to remind everyone:

First, for over seven years the United States has been occupying the lands of Islam in the holiest of places, the Arabian Peninsula, plundering its riches, dictating to its rulers, humiliating its people, terrorizing its neighbors, and turning its bases in the Peninsula into a spearhead through which to fight the neighboring Muslim peoples.

If some people have in the past argued about the fact of the occupation, all the people of the Peninsula have now acknowledged it. The best proof of this is the Americans' continuing aggression against the Iraqi people using the Peninsula as a staging post, even though all its rulers are against their territories being used to that end, but they are helpless.

Second, despite the great devastation inflicted on the Iraqi people by the crusader-Zionist alliance, and despite the huge number of those killed, which has exceeded 1 million... despite all this, the Americans are once against trying to repeat the horrific massacres, as though they are not content with the protracted blockade imposed after the ferocious war or the fragmentation and devastation.

So here they come to annihilate what is left of this people and to humiliate their Muslim neighbors. Third, if the Americans' aims behind these wars are religious and economic, the aim is also to serve the Jews' petty state and divert attention from its occupation of Jerusalem and murder of Muslims there. The best proof of this is their eagerness to destroy Iraq, the strongest neighboring Arab state, and their endeavor to fragment all the states of the region such as Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and Sudan into paper statelets and through their disunion and weakness to guarantee Israel's survival and the continuation of the brutal crusade occupation of the Peninsula.

All these crimes and sins committed by the Americans are a clear declaration of war on God, his messenger, and Muslims. And ulema have throughout Islamic history unanimously agreed that the jihad is an individual duty if the enemy destroys the Muslim countries. This was revealed by Imam Bin-Qadamah in "Al- Mughni," Imam al-Kisa'i in "Al-Bada'i," al-Qurtubi in his interpretation, and the shaykh of al-Islam in his books, where he said: "As for the fighting to repulse [an enemy], it is aimed at defending sanctity and religion, and it is a duty as agreed [by the ulema]. Nothing is more sacred than belief except repulsing an enemy who is attacking religion and life." On that basis, and in compliance with God's order, we issue the following fatwa to all Muslims:

The ruling to kill the Americans and their allies -- civilians and military -- is an individual duty for every Muslim who can do it in any country in which it is possible to do it, in order to liberate the al-Aqsa Mosque and the holy mosque [Mecca] from their grip, and in order for their armies to move out of all the lands of Islam, defeated and unable to threaten any Muslim. This is in accordance with the words of Almighty God, "and fight the pagans all together as they fight you all together," and "fight them until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God."

This is in addition to the words of Almighty God: "And why should ye not fight in the cause of God and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)? -- women and children, whose cry is: 'Our Lord, rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from thee one who will help!'"

We -- with God's help -- call on every Muslim who believes in God and wishes to be rewarded to comply with God's order to kill the Americans and plunder their money wherever and whenever they find it. We also call on Muslim ulema, leaders, youths, and soldiers to launch the raid on Satan's U.S. troops and the devil's supporters allying with them, and to displace those who are behind them so that they may learn a lesson.

Almighty God said: "O ye who believe, give your response to God and His Apostle, when He calleth you to that which will give you life. And know that God cometh between a man and his heart, and that it is He to whom ye shall all be gathered."

Almighty God also says: "O ye who believe, what is the matter with you, that when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of God, ye cling so heavily to the earth! Do ye prefer the life of this world to the hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place; but Him ye would not harm in the least. For God hath power over all things."

Almighty God also says: "So lose no heart, nor fall into despair. For ye must gain mastery if ye are true in faith."


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BTW, I know you keep repeating the line 'Also, Muslim is not a race', but thats not really much of an escape from the fact that you are a racist. Sorry, we all know it already.
Hmmm, how am I repeating something I have only said once? But if it makes you feel better, Muslim is NOT a race.
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Read: The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam

Very scary stuff.

IMO, terrorists would avoid such a large scale coordinated attack. Would it kill a lot of Americans? Yes? Would it cause massive collateral damage? Yes. Would it kill America? Very unlikely. In fact, America would probably rise like a Phoenix.

With several of its own cities nuked, the U.S. would be justified in any military action. The response from the armed forces would be of biblical scale. Retaliatory nukes would be launched on middle-eastern cities. Pakistan's nuclear capabilities would be neutralized as a "precaution". Domestic muslims would be rounded up and thrown into prison camps. The armed forces would, in all likelihood, engage in a small scale extermination of of the middle east. Inside of a week we would have seized control of Saudi Arabia. Inside of two weeks we would have either killed or imprisoned its entire population. I can go on but I don't need to. It would be an epic military mobilization.

This might seem far fetched but its not. With the suggested collateral damage to all of our major cities, with millions of Americans dead, the rules of engagement would simply go out the window. I don't think anyone here can comprehend the sort of damage the U.S. military could do if it were ordered to simply kill anything that moved. The kill count would probably order on the hundreds of thousands per day whereas U.S. military casualties would be non-existent.

That's precisely why no terrorist organization would execute such an attack. They are aware of the scale of the response and they are aware that it would take them centuries to rebuild. A more likely course of action would be harassing suicide bombings at malls and other public places.
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They didn't believe Islam demanded it of them, try reading AQ members' own statements (readily available on the internet). Obviously YOU believe that islam demanded it of them. Popular media really worked well on you over the last few years. Ever heard the phrase "know your enemy". You will loose every time if you don't know what your enemy is really about, stop being a retarded brainwashed hick and do your research and find out why they are at war with us if you want to win.

BTW, I know you keep repeating the line 'Also, Muslim is not a race', but thats not really much of an escape from the fact that you are a racist. Sorry, we all know it already.
If you want to spout off racism, then quit being racist yourself.

Just saying.

Try talking to people who are from (born and raised) the mideast, and live there currently. That's where I get my insight from. Everything that is supposedly "not fact" according to your "facts" is indeed a fact.
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I don't even know where to begin with this one. I think this statement accurately describes your ignorance. Nice job! Looks like George Dubya's Threat Level BS worked on you. You need to remember that extremists plotted that attack, and they do NOT represent the thoughts and wishes of the vast majority of Muslim people. News flash, the USA is a huge melting pot, and the minority groups of yesterday will become the majority groups of tomorrow. That last sentence is bordering on racism my friend. Tread lightly.
Racism really? Were we or were we not attacked by Muslim's? Yes they were extremists and yes they do not represent the views of most all Muslims.

Where is the racism?

Am I still racist if I say on Dec 7, 1941 we were attacked by Japanese? I'm sure there were plenty of Japanese living in the US and I'm sure the attack did not represent thoughts and wishes of many of the Japanese people.

I think you need to check the dictionary of what the word racism means.
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The decree of racism is a nothing but a coward's defense when you can't argue the facts. They purposefully throw the word around so much as to lose its effectiveness when real racism presents itself in an effort to cast as wide a net as possible for more 'victims' to save.
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Lol at this thread. It's very easy to speculate another 9/11 but who knows whom is going to be involved or when.

Islamic terrorist aren't the only ones who hate America but people seem to forget that
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Lol at this thread. It's very easy to speculate another 9/11 but who knows whom is going to be involved or when.

Islamic terrorist aren't the only ones who hate America but people seem to forget that
Other than Islamic terrorists what faction hates America enough to bring about another 9/11?
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yes, that's plausible, the most restricted airspace in the country will be broken through by a couple of guys in a cesna.... yup... good one... it's so believable... yeah.......no
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Other than Islamic terrorists what faction hates America enough to bring about another 9/11?
How about Korea, or maybe some French people (don't forget a lot of them dislike America) or maybe even China considering they feel that America is restricting their economic and political growth.

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Other than Islamic terrorists what faction hates America enough to bring about another 9/11?
Or perhaps young white U.S. Army veterans? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing
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How about Korea, or maybe some French people (don't forget a lot of them dislike America) or maybe even China considering they feel that America is restricting their economic and political growth.

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Hell yeah brother, they're all out to get us... they hate us because of our freedoms and because our religion.. But little do they all know we have jesus christ on our side and with his mighty sword made of the strongest titanium alloy combined with a diamond edged blade and a massive shield probably the size of a mastadon made thick bamboo and iron covered in the blood of the enemy... HOORAH!
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With all those haters, best to be on guard. Better border control would make good sense, but personally, it would help to just be aware of the potential threat. I would be careful of the possibility of nukes or dirty bombs in big cities, but also arsonists setting forest/range fires, food or water supply poisoning, bridge bombings, sporting events, federal buildings, and financial centers. Certainly not a comprehensive list, but a start.
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Why did you not respond to my comments Scott? Oh ya its because you're racist =) Its all good though
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How about Korea, or maybe some French people (don't forget a lot of them dislike America) or maybe even China considering they feel that America is restricting their economic and political growth.

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With all those haters, best to be on guard. Better border control would make good sense, but personally, it would help to just be aware of the potential threat. I would be careful of the possibility of nukes or dirty bombs in big cities, but also arsonists setting forest/range fires, food or water supply poisoning, bridge bombings, sporting events, federal buildings, and financial centers. Certainly not a comprehensive list, but a start.
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Why did you not respond to my comments Scott? Oh ya its because you're racist =) Its all good though
Hey addy85, I thought I had responded to both you and radix. But maybe I need to have the quote appear for it to look like a reply.

I was not aware that North Korea was likely to use terror attacks. They seem to have a different approach that has worked very well for them since at least the Clinton administration and going right on up through GWB and Mr. Obama. Do you fear they will use terror tactics on the U.S.?

I doubt that China would do anything to cause them to lose on their investment in America. We are a debtor nation to them. If they want to profit on the deal, they need us to thrive.

I wasn't aware that the French are in any way likely to use terrorism against the U.S. Maybe some of their citizens that have set themselves up in France as a mini-middle east would do so, but how do you deal with them? Maybe they should be dealt with cautiously when visiting the U.S.

Army veterans seem to be a much less likely source of domestic attack. Even if it were more common, it would be very difficult to guard against for what seems obvious reasons.

If you see this subject as worthy of further discussion, then the ball is in your court.

BTW: I am not racist.
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Hey addy85, I thought I had responded to both you and radix. But maybe I need to have the quote appear for it to look like a reply.

I was not aware that North Korea was likely to use terror attacks. They seem to have a different approach that has worked very well for them since at least the Clinton administration and going right on up through GWB and Mr. Obama. Do you fear they will use terror tactics on the U.S.?

I doubt that China would do anything to cause them to lose on their investment in America. We are a debtor nation to them. If they want to profit on the deal, they need us to thrive.

I wasn't aware that the French are in any way likely to use terrorism against the U.S. Maybe some of their citizens that have set themselves up in France as a mini-middle east would do so, but how do you deal with them? Maybe they should be dealt with cautiously when visiting the U.S.

Army veterans seem to be a much less likely source of domestic attack. Even if it were more common, it would be very difficult to guard against for what seems obvious reasons.

If you see this subject as worthy of further discussion, then the ball is in your court.

BTW: I am not racist.
What you may or may not be aware of doesn’t mean it isn’t there. Why wouldn’t N. Korea want to attack America? Anything can trigger that war and if your awareness tells you other wise then I suggest you read a couple of books on N. Korea. Why wouldn’t China attack the U.S? Again, based on what you may or may not be aware of doesn’t mean that the possibility of a terrorist attack from a Chinese non Muslim terrorist is possible. As a matter of fact, there are many people from many different nations who probably want and will attempt to terrorize our country one day or another, whether they succeed or not is another story.
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What you may or may not be aware of doesn’t mean it isn’t there. Why wouldn’t N. Korea want to attack America? Anything can trigger that war and if your awareness tells you other wise then I suggest you read a couple of books on N. Korea. Why wouldn’t China attack the U.S? Again, based on what you may or may not be aware of doesn’t mean that the possibility of a terrorist attack from a Chinese non Muslim terrorist is possible. As a matter of fact, there are many people from many different nations who probably want and will attempt to terrorize our country one day or another, whether they succeed or not is another story.
Alright. Could you tell more about a possible or theoretical attack that could come from North Korea, China, or others? I'm curious. And how would it be best to guard against such a threat?
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Alright. Could you tell more about a possible or theoretical attack that could come from North Korea, China, or others? I'm curious. And how would it be best to guard against such a threat?
Well there lies the problem, you can't predict a terrorist attack or it wouldn't be a terrorist attack

Also there's really noway to predict a terrorist attack unless you are the one committing the act yourself, unfortunate but true.
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Part of me feels that something worse than 9/11 is still to come.

But when you take into account how poor the actual terrorists are and that they need to be funded, i begin to think that their money source may not be as willing to pony up the dough after seeing the resolve of US forces in Afghanistan & Iraq.

Sometimes what actually happens is what no one expects. What potentially could happen is that a group of people put these words / orders, into action:

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If another 9/11 is to come, it will likely be when we are at odds with each other as a nation. Terrorists have shown that they are not stupid, and we know they’re not well funded. So it’s logical to assume that they may be biding their time to make sure they get the maximum effect of what will have likely been in planning stages for several years.
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Part of me feels that something worse than 9/11 is still to come.
That something worse could come from terrorists. It could come from enemies, allies, our own people, or even our government. Probably the most sinister threat is in the potential of our government abolishing the Bill of Rights entirely, rather than a piece at a time.

We are headed into a maelstrom.
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