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      09-08-2009, 12:53 PM   #1
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Is another 9/11 set to unfold?

Is another 9/11 set to unfold?

"Muslims that I talk to say things like, 'America thinks they're safe now. They've forgotten about 9/11. But watch, Daniel. Stay near your TV. It's going to be bigger than 9/11,' " he said.

Hill said the next terrorist attack will involve suitcase nuclear bombs that will be detonated in small, low-flying two-seater private airplanes manned by men hanging onto the belief that, like the 9/11 hijackers, they are about to die as martyrs and enter paradise.

He is not alone in suggesting such a scenario. A 2007 book, "The Day of Islam," spells out the details, as do any number of Internet sites about a plot called "American Hiroshima."

The nukes, he said, will be detonated over New York, Washington, D.C., Chicago, Miami, Houston, Las Vegas and Los Angeles.
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It was Hill who converted to Islam as a young U.S. Army paratrooper stationed in Beirut in 1958. It was Hill who learned fluent Arabic. It was Hill who joined the Mujahedeen Freedom Fighters in Afghanistan and fought the Soviet invasion there in the 1980s. It was Hill who personally met Osama bin Laden. It was Hill who used information from Islamic extremists to warn Rescorla that terrorists would use the underground parking garage for a car bomb attack on the World Trade Center. It was Hill who asked the U.S. government to assist him in an assassination attempt on bin Laden in 1998 (the request was rejected). And it was Hill who warned the FBI just weeks before Sept. 11, 2001, that his Mideast contacts told him "something big" was about to happen in the United States, in New York, Washington, D.C., or Philadelphia — maybe all three.

-Daniel J. Hill
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"I'm a Muslim," he says. "I'm a special ops expert, I'm a terrorist and I've lived among Muslims. I fought the Russians with the same guys we're now fighting in Afghanistan. I met Osama. I volunteered to assassinate him. I know (the enemy) so well because I've worked, slept and prayed alongside them for years. I've become one of them. I know their nature, I know their culture, I know how they think. I can quote the Koran like a Southern Baptist minister can quote the New Testament. I know these are people who do not tire, who do not quit. There are odds this won't happen, but they aren't big odds."

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One thing we can all agree on is that these extremist want to attack us again. The two big questions are...

1. How?
2. Will they be successful?

One thing for sure is that they will try again.
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As a religious studies student, I dont think that they should even be called muslims. Killers use religion or politics or pleasure etc to kill. They happen to be born in islamic countries so they use that to fulfill needs that would be present in their nature anyway.

Anywho, Im surprised with so much supposed hate for america they havent done something already. Either they cant or they are waiting for something big. I dont believe that extremist without major countries backing them with their armies could disrupt america in any significant way. Even if new york was nuked, america would continue. We would mourn and rebuild and probably attack the middle east even worse but life here would continue.
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The nukes, he said, will be detonated over New York, Washington, D.C., Chicago, Miami, Houston, Las Vegas and Los Angeles.

Did Rush write that line? I mean nukes over 7 of the largest american cities (why didn't you guys include Philly and Boston???) ..... Reminds me of a chuck norris movie hah, cmon try to be a little more realistic with the fear mongering.
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idk, Las Vegas??? Nowhere in the northwest like Seattle?
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The nukes, he said, will be detonated over New York, Washington, D.C., Chicago, Miami, Houston, Las Vegas and Los Angeles.

Did Rush write that line? I mean nukes over 7 of the largest american cities (why didn't you guys include Philly and Boston???) ..... Reminds me of a chuck norris movie hah, cmon try to be a little more realistic with the fear mongering.
They hijaked 4 planes on 9/11, why is it unfeasible to believe 7 nukes could not be set off in 7 cities? In this day and age anything and everything is possible.

I've had an uneasy feeling for the last year about something bad happening sometime in the next year or two. I'm not specifically saying terrorist related. I'm talking about the possibility of a natural disaster occuring that could kill a large number of people.

I look around at how over-populated things seem to be, tensions rising everywhere. Something has got to give whether it's one way or another.
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I've had an uneasy feeling for the last year about something bad happening sometime in the next year or two. I'm not specifically saying terrorist related. I'm talking about the possibility of a natural disaster occuring that could kill a large number of people.

I look around at how over-populated things seem to be, tensions rising everywhere. Something has got to give whether it's one way or another.
I've had the opposite feeling - that the world will continue to spin regardless of what happens. Suffering is a part of life, but most of it is generated inside yourself.

It's been this way since the dawn of time, or at least since man gained the capacity to think.

Edit - and what you're doing, Scott, is just plain fear-mongering.
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I've had the opposite feeling - that the world will continue to spin regardless of what happens. Suffering is a part of life, but most of it is generated inside yourself.

It's been this way since the dawn of time, or at least since man gained the capacity to think.

Edit - and what you're doing, Scott, is just plain fear-mongering.
Another student in a webinar where I participate had mentioned the suitcase nukes possibly seeing action soon. So I looked it up. I find the subject to be interesting. I "hope" (there is that four letter word again) that nothing comes of it and that the terrorist have no nukes. What I quoted was written by a guy who knows a lot about it first hand (unless his description of his role is exaggerated).

If these seven cities did get bombed tomorrow, would you feel worse that I will feel if on 9/12 we all wake up to reflect on Friday as having suffered no tragedy?
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If these seven cities did get bombed tomorrow, would you feel worse that I will feel if on 9/12 we all wake up to reflect on Friday as having suffered no tragedy?
You may want to take another crack at this statement. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume it didn't come out properly.
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You may want to take another crack at this statement. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume it didn't come out properly.
Thanks for pointing it out. I'll clarify. Will he feel worse about his speaking against my raising an alarm if the bombs do explode? Or will I feel worse about putting up a false alarm? I would hope he would feel worse about assuring people that all is safe if the unthinkable happened after he downplayed the threat. I will not feel bad about giving a warning.
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Does anyone think it is odd since Obama came into office that we haven't heard anything about the National Threat Level?

I guess they don't want us to remember that 8 years ago we were attacked by Muslims.
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Nope- there will never be another terrorist attack again, ever.


In all seriousness, I'm surprised there haven't been a few already since 9/11/01. I have my doubts about nuclear weapons though. Dirty bombs, sure....but nukes?

To whoever said "they highjacked 4 planes...why not nukes": Building or getting a nuke is WAY harder than hijacking an airplane.

BTW- A fully fueled 767 has the energy content of about 760 tons of tnt in it's fuel (the burning aluminum probably adds a lot to that, too). The smallest nuke ever, the W54, designed to be used at ranges of only a mile or two, had an adjustable yield of between 10 and 250 tons TNT.
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Does anyone think it is odd since Obama came into office that we haven't heard anything about the National Threat Level?

I guess they don't want us to remember that 8 years ago we were attacked by Muslims.
Has the popular news had much coverage of Iraq and Afghanistan with Mr. Obama? I haven't been watching the news much since the election, so I would need to defer on that to those who have been watching.

How is the treatment of these wars by the press compared to what it was with President George W. Bush?
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Nope- there will never be another terrorist attack again, ever.


In all seriousness, I'm surprised there haven't been a few already since 9/11/01. I have my doubts about nuclear weapons though. Dirty bombs, sure....but nukes?

To whoever said "they highjacked 4 planes...why not nukes": Building or getting a nuke is WAY harder than hijacking an airplane.

BTW- A fully fueled 767 has the energy content of about 760 tons of tnt in it's fuel (the burning aluminum probably adds a lot to that, too). The smallest nuke ever, the W54, designed to be used at ranges of only a mile or two, had an adjustable yield of between 10 and 250 tons TNT.
Didn't you know? These were not "terrorists" who did the hijackings and bombings, etc. They were freedom fighters and protesters just like Bill Ayers.
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My guess at the next attack would be somewhere in the greater Los Angeles area, the so-called cultural center of the United States. Hollywood and the San Fernando Valley (the source of 90% of all porn ever made) seems to me like the embodiment of all despicable aspects of Western culture.

Now, the question is: How?

With the way LA is organized, a single focused attack (like 9/11) would not really have the same effect as there is no one target of great value for a bomb or plane. My guess would have to be a weapon that would yield a much larger dispersion of death. As I dont believe that terrorists could very likely obtain a nuclear weapon, the only remaining options would be dirty bombs, or something of the chemical/biological nature.

If something like this (large-scale calculated casualties in the tens of thousands) were to occur, I do believe that the United States armed forces will remove all restraint in the effort to destroy those responsible (i.e. high-yield conventional weapons, carpet-bombing entire cities, etc.).
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We would "take the gloves off". Problem is, we wouldn't be fighting a nation, so bombing entire cities would only make our problems worse. Terrorism should be treated like more of a criminal or maybe special forces operation, not a nation-on-nation war.

Now, if we could identify a nation as providing a nuke, then yeah...bombs away.
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I've had the opposite feeling - that the world will continue to spin regardless of what happens. Suffering is a part of life, but most of it is generated inside yourself.

It's been this way since the dawn of time, or at least since man gained the capacity to think.

Edit - and what you're doing, Scott, is just plain fear-mongering.
I think you sort of misunderstood my overall post. I wasn't saying that everything is going to end. Heavens no. I was simply stating my intuition that something will happen eventually. Of course the world will continue to spin.

And of course it's my own "creative" thinking at work. But I'm also being realistic to the fact that something might happen.
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Does anyone think it is odd since Obama came into office that we haven't heard anything about the National Threat Level?

I guess they don't want us to remember that 8 years ago we were attacked by Muslims.
I don't even know where to begin with this one. I think this statement accurately describes your ignorance. Nice job! Looks like George Dubya's Threat Level BS worked on you. You need to remember that extremists plotted that attack, and they do NOT represent the thoughts and wishes of the vast majority of Muslim people. News flash, the USA is a huge melting pot, and the minority groups of yesterday will become the majority groups of tomorrow. That last sentence is bordering on racism my friend. Tread lightly.
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Does anyone think it is odd since Obama came into office that we haven't heard anything about the National Threat Level?
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Why are you concerned about the National Threat Level? What did you do differently in your life when the threat level changed? Buy more plastic sheeting an duck tape? What are you missing?
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That last sentence is bordering on racism my friend. Tread lightly.
On what planet is saying, "I guess they don't want us to remember that 8 years ago we were attacked by Muslims" racist?

Eight years ago we WERE attacked by Muslims. The men who planned the attack, trained the attackers, funded the attack, hijacked those planes and killed 3000 people had one thing in common, they were Muslims. They weren't Methodists, Buddhists, Catholics, or Jews. They were Muslims and did it because they believed Islam demanded it of them. Sticking your head in the sand because you are offended by the truth is not only stupid it is dangerous.

Also, Muslim is not a race.
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