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      09-03-2009, 04:02 PM   #1
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Now this is getting a little ridiculous...

I would like someone to explain to me how hard work and challenging oneself is in any way an indoctrination of a socialist agenda. I have nothing further to say...

Right Blasts Obama's Speech to Students

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Wow. Seriously this is sad that some of these Conservatives are still using fear to get people to follow. I'm waiting to start seeing 1950's commie propaganda commercials on TV.

"Obama has a red tie on, next comes the hammer and sickle, that red tie is the start to the downfall of society, and evil big brother is watching YOU!" DUN DUNN DUUUUUUU. (those are sound effects, fyi)
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I think a lot of the fear stems from the lesson plans that the Dept of Education initially offered to supplement the speech.

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"Write letters to themselves about what they can do to help the president. These would be collected and redistributed at an appropriate later date by the teacher to make students accountable to their goals."
It is not the place for a president, any president, to suggest that it is the duty of small school children to support his agenda.
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I think a lot of the fear stems from the lesson plans that the Dept of Education initially offered to supplement the speech.

"Write letters to themselves about what they can do to help the president. These would be collected and redistributed at an appropriate later date by the teacher to make students accountable to their goals."

It is not the place for a president, any president, to suggest that it is the duty of small school children to support his agenda.
Somebody intelligent would ask the question:

"what do they mean by 'help the president' in this context?"

Then look at the context for the answer. What does Obama want these children's help with?

"[Obama] will deliver a national address directly to students on the importance of education. The President will challenge students to work hard, set educational goals, and take responsibility for their learning. He will also call for a shared responsibility and commitment on the part of students, parents and educators to ensure that every child in every school receives the best education possible so they can compete in the global economy for good jobs and live rewarding and productive lives as American citizens"

Oh my god!! The horrors!!

OBAMA IS CHALLENGING CHILDREN TO LEARN IN SCHOOL!!!

This is such a horrible horrible thing that all the tin-hat right wing nutters must keep their children out of school!! That way all the right-wingers can Thank God that their children won't learn in school like that socialist Obama wants them too. Thank God the children of right wingers have been saved from learning in school and leading rewarding and productive lives!

Obama wants them to "take responsibility" for their own education by writing letters to themselves encouraging themselves to learn. That way they can read back their own letters TO THEMSELVES as a method of personal accountability.

The idea is for them to become their own source of encouragement to do well in school, in the form of letters from themselves committing to do well in school. That way it is their OWN standards they are holding themselves accountable, not some teacher's or parents. I can't believe you are unable to reason this out for yourself.

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Now that you've explained why the right wing nutters are cowering in fear of having the President DARE talk to their children about doing well in school, you really show yourself to be completely paranoid and disconnected from reality. What "agenda" did you REALLY think Obama was going to have K-6 school children write letters about????

Iranian uranium nuclear fuel reprocessing?
Talks with China to unpin their currency from the dollar?
The re-regulation of the nation's financial sector?

Just tell us exactly what part of Obama's "Agenda" your paranoid little mind feared these K-6 school children would be forced to support? Exactly what nutter tin-hat conspiracy did you have rolling around in your pea-brain that you are so worried about?

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Somebody intelligent would ask the question:

"what do they mean by 'help the president' in this context?"

Then look at the context for the answer. What does Obama want these children's help with?

"[Obama] will deliver a national address directly to students on the importance of education. The President will challenge students to work hard, set educational goals, and take responsibility for their learning. He will also call for a shared responsibility and commitment on the part of students, parents and educators to ensure that every child in every school receives the best education possible so they can compete in the global economy for good jobs and live rewarding and productive lives as American citizens"

Oh my god!! The horrors!!

OBAMA IS CHALLENGING CHILDREN TO LEARN IN SCHOOL!!!

This is such a horrible horrible thing that everyone must keep their children out of school!! That way all the right-wingers can Thank God that their children won't learn in school like that socialist Obama wants them too. Thank God the children of right wingers have been saved from learning in school and leading rewarding and productive lives!

And he wants them to "take responsibility" for their own education by writing letters to themselves encouraging themselves to learn. That way they can read back their own letters TO THEMSELVES as a method of personal accountability.

The idea is for them to become their own source of encouragement to do well in school, in the form of letters from themselves committing to do well in school. That way it is their OWN standards they are holding themselves accountable, not some teacher's or parents. I can't believe you are unable to reason this out for yourself.

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Now that you've explained why the right wing nutters are cowering in fear of having the President DARE talk to their children about doing well in school, you really show yourself to be completely paranoid and disconnected from reality. What "agenda" did you REALLY think Obama was going to have K-6 school children write letters about????

Iranian uranium nuclear fuel reprocessing?
Talks with China to unpin their currency from the dollar?
The re-regulation of the nation's financial sector?

Just tell us exactly what part of Obama's "Agenda" your paranoid little mind feared these K-6 school children would be forced to support? Exactly what nutter tin-hat conspiracy did you have rolling around in your pea-brain that you are so worried about?
you are the kind of person that is not even worth debating.
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i think the fear stems from the socialist and communist Obama is appointing as his closest advisors.
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you are the kind of person that is not even worth debating.
x1 million . he is just a Acorn blogging plant. doesnt even own a BMW.
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you are the kind of person that is not even worth debating.
yea, it sucks when I cover every single angle of the debate with actual facts, and leave you nowhere to say anything that doesn't sound 100% conspiracy theory nutter.

Face it, you can't argue against the fact that Obama only wanted to challenge children to work hard in school, and I've left nowhere for anyone to claim otherwise.
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yea, it sucks when I cover every single angle of the debate with actual facts, and leave you nowhere to say anything that doesn't sound 100% conspiracy theory nutter.

Face it, you can't argue against the fact that Obama only wanted to challenge children to work hard in school, and I've left nowhere for anyone to claim otherwise.
actually i can debate you up and down the block. however, you've shown your hand. you are locked in to your narrow views. no reason to even try and discuss anything with a person like you.
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actually i can debate you up and down the block. however, you've shown your hand. you are locked in to your narrow views. no reason to even try and discuss anything with a person like you.
I see. So you are simply incapable of discussing anything with anyone who doesn't already hold your own viewpoints.

Your failure is not my problem. I look forward to not seeing you respond to any of my posts since you are self-admittedly mentally incapable of discussing anything with me.

Since you are just a newbie, the place you want to go is to your profile (click the User CP tab at the top) and edit your ignore list. Type in Nixon and click "OK".

Very simple!

Goodbye.
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goodbye Acorn Obama Fan boy blogger! go back to your Kia board.
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I see. So you are simply incapable of discussing anything with anyone who doesn't already hold your own viewpoints.

Your failure is not my problem. I look forward to not seeing you respond to any of my posts since you are self-admittedly mentally incapable of discussing anything with me.

Since you are just a newbie, the place you want to go is to your profile (click the User CP tab at the top) and edit your ignore list. Type in Nixon and click "OK".

Very simple!

Goodbye.
that was a hell of a response. you literally took exactly what i posted and used it as your own. fantastic work.
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goodbye Acorn Obama Fan boy blogger! go back to your Prius board.
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Back to the topic though.... Honestly, I don't really see how the President stepped immensely out of line here. Sure, our kids are getting dumber with every passing year, more lazy and unmotivated to boot.... Something has to be done, but what? Sure BO annoys the shit out of me, and I really think I dislike him as a person, but at least he's acknowledging and putting forth some effort, however small, to reach out to some kids. Schools are overcrowded, teachers underpaid and underisured, and programs that make kids actually want to go to school are no longer existent. There is a problem there. And something has to be done. I'm glad education is at least on his agenda.

There's nothing I hate more than uninformed, arrogant, lazy people, and we seem to be pumping them out in this country at an alarming rate. It's time we did something about that.
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^ agree. Nothing really crazy here. Most recent President's have done a classroom speech broadcast to school age children.

As long as he doesn't go all NEA on them and ask teacher's to push a curriculum for healthcare reform, green jobs, tax the wealthy, etc.. all is copacetic really.

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^ agree. Nothing really crazy here. Most recent President's have done a classroom speech broadcast to school age children.

As long as he doesn't go all NEA on them and ask teacher's to push a curriculum for healthcare reform, green jobs, tax the wealthy, etc.. all is copacetic really.

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I have no problems if any president wants to address the kids in school as long as there is not a political agenda in doing it. If he is going to offer encouragement to work hard, stay in school and go to college then go for it. If he is going to tell them we need to push healthcare reform, green jobs, tax the wealthy then it will be a huge political mistake on his part.
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Somebody intelligent would ask the question:

"what do they mean by 'help the president' in this context?"

Then look at the context for the answer. What does Obama want these children's help with?

"[Obama] will deliver a national address directly to students on the importance of education. The President will challenge students to work hard, set educational goals, and take responsibility for their learning. He will also call for a shared responsibility and commitment on the part of students, parents and educators to ensure that every child in every school receives the best education possible so they can compete in the global economy for good jobs and live rewarding and productive lives as American citizens"

Oh my god!! The horrors!!

OBAMA IS CHALLENGING CHILDREN TO LEARN IN SCHOOL!!!
Wow, looks like I hit a nerve here, eh GP?

So they should write letters to themselves about how they will help the president challenge themselves? If that makes sense to you, you are more mentally deficient than I believed. At best this is a poorly worded statement. Not at all surprising coming out of the US Dept of Education though. The Obama admin recognized their error and changed the lesson plan. Maybe you just did not get that talking points memo.

If I thought Obama had a policy to deal with the Iranian uranium processing that might be a cause of concern but...

As it is I would say the fears have more to do with little Johnny coming home asking why daddy hates the Earth because he drives an SUV or Janey crying because she thinks she is going to die if mommy loses her job and they don't have health insurance anymore.
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Wow, looks like I hit a nerve here, eh GP?

So they should write letters to themselves about how they will help the president challenge themselves? If that makes sense to you, you are more mentally deficient than I believed. At best this is a poorly worded statement. Not at all surprising coming out of the US Dept of Education though. The Obama admin recognized their error and changed the lesson plan. Maybe you just did not get that talking points memo.

If I thought Obama had a policy to deal with the Iranian uranium processing that might be a cause of concern but...

As it is I would say the fears have more to do with little Johnny coming home asking why daddy hates the Earth because he drives an SUV or Janey crying because she thinks she is going to die if mommy loses her job and they don't have health insurance anymore.

Man, do I have to teach EVERYTHING to you? This is the same old boring routine with you.

The reason the lesson plan was changed was NOT because they changed anything in their plan. It was changed because it was easier to change the wording than to get millions of thick-headed idiots like yourself to understand. They had to DUMB DOWN the description of the curriculum in order for the lowest denominator to understand it. But the curriculum didn't change. Personally, I can read that sentence and understand why EVERY SINGLE WORD was chosen.

As for the purpose of writing a letter to yourself, it is a VERY common self-motivation technique. But since you can't be bothered to LEARN on your own, I'll yet again teach you. Writing a letter to one's self is a widely used motivational technique from business, to students, to dieting. Here are a few sites that talk about the technique:

http://www.bused.org/af.html
"As a class, read One Hundred Best Companies to Work For. Individually, select five companies you would be interested in working for. List your criteria and decision-making strategies. What common characteristics did the companies have that would make you want to work for them? What additional skills do you need to have to make that possibility happen? Write a letter to yourself identifying the steps you need to take to reach your goals."

Others:
http://www.openplanner.org/node/131
http://dietbuild.com/weight/422.php

Take some Management classes in your company that talk about how to motivate your employees, and you will understand. In our company, we have our employees write self-appraisal letters for themselves for the exact same reason. I dare to say that nearly EVERY Fortune 500 company uses some sort of variation on this theme to get employees to set their OWN goals, IN WRITING, and then have employees hold themselves accountable to those written goals.

This is exactly the same technique Obama is employing. Sad you don't understand this technique. Even sadder that you attack the President for your lack of understanding.

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As for the word choice of "help the president", this was done again as a motivational technique. It is intended to empower the individual students writing letters to themselves. So they feel like they can each personally actually HELP the president of the most powerful nation in the world! Imagine, the President legitimately coming to YOU for help as an 8 year old in small town USA for you to work hard in school. That is a powerful motivator, and a powerful way of building self-esteem in children. Make them feel like they can help the entire country by learning and working hard in school. Which, by the way, isn't just a bunch of feel-good bullcrap. We REALLY DO as a country need these kids to learn and work hard, as their individual work is the ONLY way for us to achieve our goal of raising up the educational level of our children.

Again, we use this exact same sort of technique in our company with our employees to make them feel PERSONALLY responsible for the success of the business as a whole. That their daily work is the key to the success of the company. Nothing new here.

Sadly the phrase had to be dumbed-down because it was easier to dumb-down the phrase than the fight right-wing ignorance.

Anything you read into it above and beyond it just being a motivational technique is YOUR OWN paranoia, not a problem with anything Obama does. You and you alone are responsible for controlling your own paranoia.

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None of this stuff I wrote here is brain rocketry. It's just reading for context and understanding the topic matter. Why is it in thread after thread I have to teach you basic stuff like this over and over?

A bunch of folks here all understand what is going on. Why are you the holdback?

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The Dems blasted Bush Sr for doing it back then. Same old shit, different day. I think he needs to say how stupid no child left behind is and how it hinders them for the future in the real world.
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I have no problems if any president wants to address the kids in school as long as there is not a political agenda in doing it. If he is going to offer encouragement to work hard, stay in school and go to college then go for it. If he is going to tell them we need to push healthcare reform, green jobs, tax the wealthy then it will be a huge political mistake on his part.
It pissed me off when my kid had to watch Algore's movie. It was indoctrination. I didn't even say anything to the school. Maybe I should have.
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The one thing that Nixon has been consistently good at is rationalizing and spinning everything that everyone says in a way that fits his narrow agenda, which is done by throwing insults around left and right, making his opponents feel as infantile as possible.

I truly believe that if I were to interact with this person out in the real world without even knowing his identity, I would be appalled and he would reflect his username in true form in real life. I won't say that about very many people on an internet board, either.

He is the essence (in digital form) of the scary people that embody Obama's / Pelosi's agenda.
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It pissed me off when my kid had to watch Algore's movie. It was indoctrination. I didn't even say anything to the school. Maybe I should have.

Because global warming is a myth, right?
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The one thing that Nixon has been consistently good at is rationalizing and spinning everything that everyone says in a way that fits his narrow agenda, which is done by throwing insults around left and right, making his opponents feel as infantile as possible.

I truly believe that if I were to interact with this person out in the real world without even knowing his identity, I would be appalled and he would reflect his username in true form in real life. I won't say that about very many people on an internet board, either.

He is the essence (in digital form) of the scary people that embody Obama's / Pelosi's agenda.

I actually think Nixon has some great insight, and the only reason he is so emphatic with respect to his writing style IMO is that he probably can't believe something this ridiculous needs to be defended from such closed minded opinion.
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