2011 Mustang GT "Coyote" Track package as fast as the e92 M3 ?

305e92 · 08-12-2009, 10:47 PM

C&D claims that the Corsa R-compound car was lapping the 1.88 mile track just as quickly as the current BMW M3 they brought along.

http://blog.caranddriver.com/2011-fo...-hp-5-0-liter/

FStop7 · 08-12-2009, 11:11 PM

So two prototype Mustangs with unknown adjustable shocks and R compound tires are "roughly" as fast as an M3 with worn brakes and tires on a track the driver doesn't know very well?

Your thread title sucks, you should work for Fox News.

blklacker · 08-12-2009, 11:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FStop7

So two prototype Mustangs with unknown adjustable shocks and R compound tires are "roughly" as fast as an M3 with worn brakes and tires on a track the driver doesn't know very well?

Your thread title sucks, you should work for Fox News.

Harsh....They are prototype cars so who know, its possible that the finally product may out preform the M3 around a track... (Its a prototype)

Have to admit Ford does need to step it up with the mustang, cuz currently that SS is pretty nasty....

DocSean · 08-13-2009, 01:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blklacker

Harsh....They are prototype cars so who know, its possible that the finally product may out preform the M3 around a track... (Its a prototype)

Have to admit Ford does need to step it up with the mustang, cuz currently that SS is pretty nasty....

I think what he was trying to say is that the M3 is the greatest car in the world and that nothing will ever touch it. Any article that states otherwise is biased or just plain BS.

EmPower · 08-13-2009, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by DocSean

I think what he was trying to say is that the M3 is the greatest car in the world and that nothing will ever touch it. Any article that states otherwise is biased or just plain BS.

So I type the obligatory 'A 335 with JB3 will kill it'....

EpicE90 · 08-13-2009, 09:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FStop7

So two prototype Mustangs with unknown adjustable shocks and R compound tires are "roughly" as fast as an M3 with worn brakes and tires on a track the driver doesn't know very well?

Your thread title sucks, you should work for Fox News.

Im sorry but maybe no one else noticed this... Why are you SUCHH a dick?

Year's_End · 08-13-2009, 10:28 AM

Interesting article. It was also on Autoblog.

We need to know who supplied the M3. It'd also be nice to know what exactly was modified in the Stang.

blue2fire · 08-13-2009, 11:27 AM

And it still wouldn't make any difference (despite the fact that the tires seem to be severely mismatched). I wouldn't want to drive that live rear axled crap anywhere near a normal road, works admirably for a track (they say) but not much else.

Design1stCode2nd · 08-13-2009, 11:33 AM

Not much for a LRA either but Ford seems to have made it work even on normal roads.

Not a Mustang guy but if Ford can make an affordable car hang with an M3 I say kudos to them.

I like what they have been doing lately and applaud them for doing it without bailout money.

TSM330i · 08-13-2009, 11:40 AM

For crying out loud - they're comparing some guy who just happen to be at the track with his M3 against the development engineers running the '11 Mustangs.
Sorry - headline is a fail

NewSong · 08-13-2009, 12:27 PM

Let me head the fanboys off at the pass:

"It's made by Ford. The seats are uncomfortable, the plastic on the interior looks like legos, and the car is ugly! A 335i with procede would smoke it."

I think that about covers it.

MisterSkiMask · 08-13-2009, 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NewSong

Let me head the fanboys off at the pass:

"It's made by Ford. The seats are uncomfortable, the plastic on the interior looks like legos, and the car is ugly! A 335i with procede would smoke it."

I think that about covers it.

That should do it.

But to be fair, this car will be a one trick pony, which is great if you want it for a track toy.

11Past9 · 08-13-2009, 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NewSong

Let me head the fanboys off at the pass:

"It's made by Ford. The seats are uncomfortable, the plastic on the interior looks like legos, and the car is ugly! A 335i with procede would smoke it."

I think that about covers it.

"OH EM GEE NO CINNMINN TEIRIOR WIF GREY POPPPLERRRRZ ON MONTEEEEGO BLOO?!?! WAY NOT FAST NUFF K BAI"

Ok I think we've got it now.

11Past9 · 08-13-2009, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by MisterSkiMask

That should do it.

But to be fair, this car will be a one trick pony, which is great if you want it for a track toy.

2010 Mustang GT

0-60 mph: 4.9 sec
1/4 mi: 13.5 sec
60-0 braking: 109 ft
Skid pad: 0.95g

E92 M3 DCT

0-60 mph: 4.1 sec
1/4 mi: 12.7 sec
60-0 braking: 104 ft
Skid pad: 0.94g

Hmm, with a live rear axle and everything. I thought a one trick pony, only did one thing well, hence the one trick pony part. I think I am missing something because, I think it does like... 4 tricks, about as good as the other pony so it should be called aaaaaaaaaa 4 trick pony.

Wait.

Is there such thing as a 4 trick pony?

kyleb350 · 08-13-2009, 01:17 PM

^^You could even throw the GT500 specs in there since they are priced closer.

MisterSkiMask · 08-13-2009, 01:20 PM

I was referring to the track package. I think it will be a great track toy, I would bet that a mid-corner bump would upset the car, and I would bet the suspension will be a bit stiff for DD use.

I think the performance that Ford has been able to extract from the old live axle is incredible, just like the performance that Chevy has been able to get out of the the "old fashioned useless pushrod engine" is unbelievable.

Design1stCode2nd · 08-14-2009, 12:45 PM

You do realize that the thsi isn't the 2010 GT they are talking about its the 2011 with a 400+hp 5.0l engine. So my guess is it will be a little lighter than an M3 with similar power and should handle fairly well on the track at least for half the cost.

Of course the interior will be poor when compared to a luxury brand and it will have less in the way of technology (although SYNC is one of the better systems I've seen).

They arn't marketing this towards a BMW owner. It just happens to be doing similar lap times in testing, nothing else. It will always be a muscle/pony car and compete against other cars in that category.

V1.47fan · 08-14-2009, 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FStop7

So two prototype Mustangs with unknown adjustable shocks and R compound tires are "roughly" as fast as an M3 with worn brakes and tires on a track the driver doesn't know very well?

Your thread title sucks, you should work for Fox News.

Hahaha,you meant Faux News?

FStop7 · 08-14-2009, 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EpicE90

Im sorry but maybe no one else noticed this... Why are you SUCHH a dick?

I'm just saying the article exaggerates and the thread title is misleading and sucks.

I think Mustangs are great, I've owned a few Fox bodies and an SN95 Cobra. My dad has a 1966 GT and a 1995 Cobra, both of which I hope he decides to pass on to me some day.

11Past9 · 08-14-2009, 07:37 PM

Some times less tech is a good thing, you can keep it beyond 100,000 miles without shitting your pants every time you see the service bill

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Year's_End Cpt. Buzzkill Drives: '08 E92 335i Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: St. Pete, FL Posts: 11,788 iTrader: (0)	Interesting article. It was also on Autoblog. We need to know who supplied the M3. It'd also be nice to know what exactly was modified in the Stang. __________________ _.[In a love/hate relationship with...] E92 335i: Space Grey\|Coral Red\|Aluminum Trim _________VMR V710s\|M-Sport Rear Bumper & Rockers\|M3 Spoiler\|Golf-T__________Moved on to the misc. Later, brahs.

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NewSong Just another jerk in a hat... Drives: 2005 Ford Focus Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Irvine Posts: 1,468 iTrader: (0)	Let me head the fanboys off at the pass: "It's made by Ford. The seats are uncomfortable, the plastic on the interior looks like legos, and the car is ugly! A 335i with procede would smoke it." I think that about covers it. __________________ He brought me up also out of a horrible pit, out of the miry clay, and set my feet upon a rock, and established my goings. And he hath put a new song in my mouth.

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Design1stCode2nd Lieutenant Drives: 08 Subaru STI Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: MD Posts: 505 iTrader: (0)	Not much for a LRA either but Ford seems to have made it work even on normal roads. Not a Mustang guy but if Ford can make an affordable car hang with an M3 I say kudos to them. I like what they have been doing lately and applaud them for doing it without bailout money.

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kyleb350 Brigadier General Drives: '13 ST Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: LoMbard, IL Posts: 3,915 iTrader: (6)	^^You could even throw the GT500 specs in there since they are priced closer.

08-13-2009, 01:20 PM	#16
MisterSkiMask Lieutenant Colonel Drives: I Can not say Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: you must not know Posts: 1,820 iTrader: (0)	I was referring to the track package. I think it will be a great track toy, I would bet that a mid-corner bump would upset the car, and I would bet the suspension will be a bit stiff for DD use. I think the performance that Ford has been able to extract from the old live axle is incredible, just like the performance that Chevy has been able to get out of the the "old fashioned useless pushrod engine" is unbelievable.

08-14-2009, 12:45 PM	#17
Design1stCode2nd Lieutenant Drives: 08 Subaru STI Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: MD Posts: 505 iTrader: (0)	You do realize that the thsi isn't the 2010 GT they are talking about its the 2011 with a 400+hp 5.0l engine. So my guess is it will be a little lighter than an M3 with similar power and should handle fairly well on the track at least for half the cost. Of course the interior will be poor when compared to a luxury brand and it will have less in the way of technology (although SYNC is one of the better systems I've seen). They arn't marketing this towards a BMW owner. It just happens to be doing similar lap times in testing, nothing else. It will always be a muscle/pony car and compete against other cars in that category.

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