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      08-12-2009, 11:30 AM   #1
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Vanguard Ti Exhaust 3000 Mile review



Since I've probably had on this exhaust the longest out of the members here and I get quite a few PMs asking about it, I thought I'd post a review of it after just about 3000 miles. Honestly, living with this exhaust has been a complete pleasure, it is one of the best sounding and constructed exhausts I've ever had and I think it fits the M3's personality perfectly.

Compared to the Eisenmann Race and Vorst Ti exhausts, it is a bit quieter and a little more tame than the Eis Race which was louder than I would have liked in an exhaust. There is definitely no drone while cruising and everyone who has heard it or rode in it complements it on the sound (or girls don't mention it at all which is a good indicator of GF acceptance factor, trust me they had plenty to say about the UUC on my S4 . The tone is far more aggressive sounding than the Vorsteiner, and has awesome character. The bark is low and full of bass in the lower rpms, giving it presence, but when you get up in the RPM range of the M3 it turns into an exotic sounding howl, letting everyone know this isn't your daddy's V8. As the person behind me in the last canyon run I did said, it sounds simply amazing.

I went to Supreme Power to get my Eibachs on recently and they also wanted to the check the Vanguard exhaust on the lift, the titanium is as solid as the day I got it, and the midpipes have blued nicely as you might be able to peek from the picture above. And trust me, I drive my car hard all the time, the way it was meant to be driven (averaging about 14 mpg with mostly HWY driving hahah). The car is making great power and it's awesome to drive day by day even in LA traffic. Speeding around the freeways is great fun and I seem to always be taking the long way home.. or to the gas station lol.

So overall, this exhaust looks great, sounds great, really makes power, and is built great. With other exhausts IMO you're lucky to get 2 out of 4 of those criteria, but the Vanguard has them all.

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      08-12-2009, 12:07 PM   #2
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Looks great! Nice job...what did the Vanguard system cost? And what are the performance gains?

Also, your tires look fat...what size rims & tires are you riding on?
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      08-12-2009, 12:18 PM   #3
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Looks great! Nice job...what did the Vanguard system cost? And what are the performance gains?

Also, your tires look fat...what size rims & tires are you riding on?
I got it for just around the group buy price... running the final production prototype
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showpos...79&postcount=1

My dyno hit +25whp vs stock after a bit of break in (had the RPi Scoops on both runs)


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      08-12-2009, 03:00 PM   #4
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Nice man - I can't wait to get mine installed!!! My cousin is debating between this system and another Ti one, maybe when I get mine he'll change his mind!
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      08-12-2009, 03:16 PM   #5
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Nice writeup...yep I think I have found my exhaust system...Sweet...
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      08-12-2009, 03:39 PM   #6
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good timing since there's a group buy right now! I think this made me leaning into purchasing the exhaust.

I do have a noob question...when it comes time to smog check, what can we do or do we need to do anything to pass?
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      08-12-2009, 03:52 PM   #7
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Very nice looking exhaust . However, I don't believe that your car picked up 25hp just from an axle-back exhaust. There were other variables adding more power up top (increased timing, etc).
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Very nice looking exhaust . However, I don't believe that your car picked up 25hp just from an axle-back exhaust. There were other variables adding more power up top (increased timing, etc).
my thoughts exactly. 25whp from an axle-back is exaggerated.
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      08-12-2009, 05:39 PM   #9
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good timing since there's a group buy right now! I think this made me leaning into purchasing the exhaust.

I do have a noob question...when it comes time to smog check, what can we do or do we need to do anything to pass?
There should be no problem with smog, the system doesnt touch the cats or anything

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Very nice looking exhaust . However, I don't believe that your car picked up 25hp just from an axle-back exhaust. There were other variables adding more power up top (increased timing, etc).
Although the dyno was done on different days, I think it should be accurate because of how close the curves are in the low ends. If I was making that much better timing (on my Costco gasoline, as mentioned in the gas thread I would expect to see good gains all around instead of mostly up top. I don't think everyone will make +25 whp, and im guessing Vanguard doesn't promise that, but that's what my car did, and it has felt strong to this day.
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      08-12-2009, 06:10 PM   #10
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      08-13-2009, 02:12 AM   #11
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      08-18-2009, 03:57 PM   #12
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is your low end power intact? did you lose any low end power?
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      08-18-2009, 04:04 PM   #13
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is your low end power intact? did you lose any low end power?
Looks like a small dip around 2500 rpms but damn who really needs power at that rpm? I think even the stock system has a dip there but aftermarket systems might just amplify it a bit.

I have to say this system does look pretty damn good and is tempting me heavily. Everything sounds and looks good.
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      08-18-2009, 05:19 PM   #14
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If you look at the torque curve that dip / speed bumps at 2500 looks like a weird traction control or valve issue or something, I doubt the M3 really has that issue on the street, or it might even be clutch chatter or something I dunno my car sure as hell doesn't drive like that on the street...

The system looks solid, I don't see power loss issues...
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      08-18-2009, 07:25 PM   #15
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it feels fine to me on the lowend.. although to be honest i dont spend much time there, and neither should any self respecting M3 driver!
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      08-18-2009, 10:07 PM   #16
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How civilized is it for normal everyday driving?

from another thread someone made this comparison, can you do the same for Vanguard?

"If I give it a range of 1 to 10, the stock would be say 3, Sports would be about 5.5 to be precise and Race would be about 9. The sports do not drone inside the car at all (might be a teeeenie bit), but the Race drone inside the car would do your head in if you are stuck in traffic going about between 2kRPM to 3.5kRPM"
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      08-19-2009, 11:31 AM   #17
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I would say 7 or so, it splits the difference nicely. The Vanguard is definitely a throaty exhaust, but as I've said before perfectly fine for day to day tasks, like taking clients out to lunch etc.
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I would say 7 or so, it splits the difference nicely. The Vanguard is definitely a throaty exhaust, but as I've said before perfectly fine for day to day tasks, like taking clients out to lunch etc.
hey thanks a lot. That is almost exactly what longtran wrote me in his PM. Most importantly no drone.

I am inching closer and closer.
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      08-19-2009, 05:12 PM   #19
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w00t!!! I just got mine.
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      09-07-2009, 11:26 PM   #21
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I am thinking of switching out my Eisenmann race for this because I am planning on an aftermarket x-pipe w/ HFC and don't want the exhaust to be any louder with any more drone. If I go with a vanguard and add a Fabspeed or EI x-pipe will it equate to a Eisenmann race or will it be quiter? Thanks!
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      09-08-2009, 10:50 AM   #22
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Hey buffalo, with an x-pipe I would expect the Vanguard system to be not as loud as the Race by itself in day to day driving situations, definitely not as droney as the race by itself, but when you get on it, it should be just as aggressive sounding
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