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      06-30-2009, 12:13 AM   #67
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I think my M3 gets pretty good attention and looks. Any more looks and I will end up getting California out of their bankruptcy.
Yeah but a GT-R draws attention like Lambos and Ferraris. And more people will crowd around than those cars because it's more unique and approachable.

A Bugatti Veyron would probably handily out-do it. And probably the new Lambo 550-2
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Yeah but a GT-R draws attention like Lambos and Ferraris.
No way, one parks across the street from my office, it draws some in but it's not the same folks who gather around a Ferrari. The general public just sees the GTR as an oversized Celica, no offense meant to GTR or Celica owners.
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      06-30-2009, 09:29 AM   #69
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GTR suspension is at least twice as stiff as the M3. The GTR in "comfort" mode is much harsher than the M3 in Sport mode. Even if you have stiffer springs on the M3 the GTR is still much harsher.

GTR lip scrapes on the smallest of inclines

GTR is missing a lot of the nice touches of the M3 and BMW in general.

I have driven both extensively, I can probably answer any questions you have.

The GTR is the closest thing you will find to this on the street unless you have Veyron money.
um...based on your description, i would love to have the gtr. I mean performance car is supposed to be stiff.

OP, get the GTR if you can swing it. I would say the gtr is more reliable than the m3 both mt and dct. I have a couple friends with 350z, g35, fx35/35 and none of them have any issues whatsoever in 4 years of ownership. Plus as some said nissan fixed some of the initial issues with warranty, etc. gtr is more exclusive looking than the m3 for sure and I think the styling is very aggresive and unique, but make sure you get it in black or grey.
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We know the GTR is unmatched on the track but how is it for normal daily driving?

Driver's Republic - Getting to know the Nissan GTR: http://magazines.drivers-republic.co...t-r10054/?fm=2

"I'm not sure I've ever been quizzed so much about a car, nor had such overwhelmingly positive reactions. A Ferrari tends to put up a barrier – perhaps it suggest you’re rich and arrogant to many; a Porsche tends to slip by unnoticed, but the GT-R just draws people in.”

“What is clear is that it’s easy to drive the GT-R quickly – but the same could be said of the 997 Turbo, or a Lamborghini LP560-4, neither of which are labeled ‘uninvolving’ or ‘clinical’. That particular argument has been constructed by people with an axe to grind, normally a very expensive axe that’s parked in their driveway and suddenly doesn’t seem like such good value or quite as special as it once did.”

"Some people will probably find the ride too stiff for everyday use, some people will always mistake the GT-R's competence for a clinical detachment. But a car with such focus, such a dedicated and obsessive team behind it and such immense performance could only be described as boring by somebody who hasn't driven it or someone with a very good reason to actively dislike it. The GT-R lives up to the hype on real roads - it really is a new benchmark in so many ways. To live with one for a week is a privilege, but the fact that you could drive it for a lifetime and still not get bored, is what makes the GT-R truly remarkable.


Around the Top Gear Australia track, June 2009.

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You're going to get all sorts of opinions but only you can decide which is right for you. I've gotta say though, the resentment is strong in this thread. Personally, I'd say go with the GT-R hands down, if you can afford it. It's a hell of a deal especially in comparison to the GT2. With the GT3 it's a matter of personal taste and what you're looking for but the GT-R is far more exclusive. But with any of these cars, you're now in territory where BMW has no contender.
this review said the truth. 99% of posts in this thread are bias toward European cars with no personal experience whatsoever or just seemly exaggerate.

I'm not sure why people put the gt3 (a race car) to the regular gtr. The gtr was meant to compete with the turbo but I guess the turbo loss, so people have to put the gt3 in there because it has more raw feel, etc... If you really want a gt3 competitor, put the gtr spec v in there.

the only downside of the gtr is replacement parts cost. e.g. the brake is extremely expensive to replace but it is kinda normal for car in this caliper.
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      06-30-2009, 10:28 AM   #71
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any company that touts their car as the best track car since sliced bread, and then voids you warranty if you track it, will not be getting any of my money
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      06-30-2009, 01:12 PM   #72
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this review said the truth. 99% of posts in this thread are bias toward European cars with no personal experience whatsoever or just seemly exaggerate.

I'm not sure why people put the gt3 (a race car) to the regular gtr. The gtr was meant to compete with the turbo but I guess the turbo loss, so people have to put the gt3 in there because it has more raw feel, etc... If you really want a gt3 competitor, put the gtr spec v in there.

the only downside of the gtr is replacement parts cost. e.g. the brake is extremely expensive to replace but it is kinda normal for car in this caliper.
The GTR, SpecV and 997TTs can be rather boring when compared to a raw car like the GT3. For most people, it's what is more fun to drive fast rather than what is the fastest. For me that is the gt3 whether or not there are faster cars out there.

The maintenance costs for a GTR are anything but normal for a car of this caliber. A 997tt, the coming facelifted 997.2tt and S, and GT2 are all far less expensive to maintain. The 997.2tt and ttS will put a lot of hurt on GTRs too boot. You'll see them on the Ring in a rather short time.

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any company that touts their car as the best track car since sliced bread, and then voids you warranty if you track it, will not be getting any of my money
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No way, one parks across the street from my office, it draws some in but it's not the same folks who gather around a Ferrari.
"The same folks who gather around a Ferrari" lol yeah well from the way you make it sound, that's probably a good thing and why DR refers to the GTR as the people's supercar.

"I'm not sure I've ever been quizzed so much about a car, nor had such overwhelmingly positive reactions. A Ferrari tends to put up a barrier – perhaps it suggest you’re rich and arrogant to many; a Porsche tends to slip by unnoticed, but the GT-R just draws people in.”

And you can tell yourself that but I'm not so sure the general public thinks of the GTR as an over-sized Celica.
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GTR is a Super Car... so you have to deal with its down sides. Just like when you have a LAMBO and they have to drop the engine to change its fluids and costs you 2k and you dont get a loaner car.. lol...

M3 is a everyday car with a SOUL and passion for the road. with a trunk and usable back seats. and all your services are included in the first 4 yrs.
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GTR is a Super Car... so you have to deal with its down sides. Just like when you have a LAMBO and they have to drop the engine to change its fluids and costs you 2k and you dont get a loaner car.. lol...

M3 is a everyday car with a SOUL and passion for the road. with a trunk and usable back seats. and all your services are included in the first 4 yrs.
100% agree.

The GT-R is more of an "affordable" exotic.....If there is a such thing.
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Think of the Mitsubushi Evo 8 when it came out, everyone was crazy over it because of its perfromance, now look at it's resale value; these high performance Japanese cars' build quality sucks, the reason is aside from build quality these are cars that people tend to beat up and personalize in a very "Ricey" way. When you go to resell them or trade them in (Despite yours being in mint condition) no body wants one and you get low balled due to the stereotype that follows them...now look at an old BMW, people still go crazy for them because its a BMW; my point is, avoid the Ricey GTR and stick with your M3 simply for DEPRECIATION purposes...
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I drove a friend's GT-R a couple of times before buying my M3. Performance is stunning, that's not even debatable. I also feel it's more exciting looking in person than any M3 variant. However, it felt a bit short in the visceral aspects to me - it was very easy to haul ass through the twisties, even my granny could have kicked many good driver's butts from behind the wheel. I missed the involvement of a 6MT, even though the DCT was no doubt faster and more efficient. Lastly, it didn't have near as exciting an engine note as the M3.

The real deal killers for me, though, were no sedan config (or real back seat), questionable warranty coverage, and high maint. costs. Still a killer car, as long as you know what you're getting into.

The E90 M3 fit my needs much better, though, and I have no regrets.
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I know one reason why not to get a GTR.....

When I picked up my wife from the airport and took her to her to a restaurant at a big family re-union, the M3 got a lot of classy remarks. When her cousins GTR pulled in, all the high schoolers ran outside and the old folk were wondering if transformers was filming in the parking lot.
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Think of the Mitsubushi Evo 8 when it came out, everyone was crazy over it because of its perfromance, now look at it's resale value; these high performance Japanese cars' build quality sucks, the reason is aside from build quality these are cars that people tend to beat up and personalize in a very "Ricey" way. When you go to resell them or trade them in (Despite yours being in mint condition) no body wants one and you get low balled due to the stereotype that follows them...now look at an old BMW, people still go crazy for them because its a BMW; my point is, avoid the Ricey GTR and stick with your M3 simply for DEPRECIATION purposes...
cars depreciate. Nobody is buying one as an investment, and how could you compare a gtr to an evo 8 the only thing they have in common is that they're both japanese.

People that buy evo's and whatnot's are young they don't have back problems and they realize they are mostly paying for the engine, but the gt-r was not built for that crowd rather for mature car enthusiasts, who've been around the block and have the money to buy such an expensive car. These would be the same people that are on the edge of buying an m, porsche or any other high end car, so comments on their "mod taste" would apply to everyone on the m boards as well.

These other japanese companies you mention might be able to get away with low-par interior quality on a lesser model such as the z or civic si just because young people don't mind, but with the gt-r they know adults will take the interior into consideration. Although it may "suck" compared to a bmw it is by no means uncomfortable or hard to live with ( yes i have been in one ). You mentioned build quality, you should look into how meticulously every piece of the gt-r is put together and you might be suprised.

If you are old, back pains, can't handle stiff ride, and mind driving a nissan after x years of hard work so you can buy a nice car then the m.
If you are middle aged, haven't started getting the aches and pains yet, don't mind too much of what other people think of you, and LOVE driving and the thrill of racing around than the gt-r it is.
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it's a Nissan....enough said...

by the way I am not comparing the performance of the Evo to the GTR; I am comparing the noise it made when it hit the states...similar to the GTR and now look at it...people still look and admire when they see an E36 or E46 M3, people don't look that way at Japanese Imports.

Re: Investments, obviously all cars depreciate but some more than others, if you are going to buy a car you might as well buy one that people will still desire when its a few years old.
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I know one reason why not to get a GTR.....

When I picked up my wife from the airport and took her to her to a restaurant at a big family re-union, the M3 got a lot of classy remarks. When her cousins GTR pulled in, all the high schoolers ran outside and the old folk were wondering if transformers was filming in the parking lot.
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it's a Nissan....enough said...

by the way I am not comparing the performance of the Evo to the GTR; I am comparing the noise it made when it hit the states...similar to the GTR and now look at it...people still look and admire when they see an E36 or E46 M3, people don't look that way at Japanese Imports.

Re: Investments, obviously all cars depreciate but some more than others, if you are going to buy a car you might as well buy one that people will still desire when its a few years old.
Who cares if it's a nissan or a hyundai.I'd get a Genesis 2.0T over a 128I,323I,328I any day of the week.(at least it has an LSD and Brembos.I don't give a crap what other think about my car...honestly I don't even get to see my car when I'm driving it. I'm an adrenaline junkie..hell give me a soapbox with an engine an I'll drive it. I'm a car enthusiast and not a badge whore nor status seeker. That's one thing that bothers me with Bmw...the old argument well it's a bmw....so what does that mean?..I don't understand. That was the argument that all the salesman were giving me aside from the 6-8 airbags that the cars come with.
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Who cares if it's a nissan or a hyundai.I'd get a Genesis 2.0T over a 128I,323I,328I any day of the week.(at least it has an LSD and Brembos.I don't give a crap what other think about my car...honestly I don't even get to see my car when I'm driving it. I'm an adrenaline junkie..hell give me a soapbox with an engine an I'll drive it. I'm a car enthusiast and not a badge whore nor status seeker. That's one thing that bothers me with Bmw...the old argument well it's a bmw....so what does that mean?..I don't understand. That was the argument that all the salesman were giving me aside from the 6-8 airbags that the cars come with.
I don't care if it had 600 horses, I wouldn't buy a Hyundai over any BMW; call be a badge whore, I don't care.
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it's a Nissan....enough said...

by the way I am not comparing the performance of the Evo to the GTR; I am comparing the noise it made when it hit the states...similar to the GTR and now look at it...people still look and admire when they see an E36 or E46 M3, people don't look that way at Japanese Imports.

Re: Investments, obviously all cars depreciate but some more than others, if you are going to buy a car you might as well buy one that people will still desire when its a few years old.


If thats enough said why do you keep writing?
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I don't care if it had 600 horses, I wouldn't buy a Hyundai over any BMW; call be a badge whore, I don't care.
The M3 takes a BMW to a whole different level where it no longer is about the badge. We'e heard it a thousand times, but "you get what you pay for".

I've sat in a Hyundai Genesis, and the steering felt so "plastic". Everything else was ok, but the steering felt horrible. In contrast, the M3's steering feels incredible, and you pay for it too.
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