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      06-23-2009, 04:26 PM   #23
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Why get springs if you don't want a drop? Send me $800 and keep your stock setup.
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      06-23-2009, 04:47 PM   #24
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Why get springs if you don't want a drop? Send me $800 and keep your stock setup.
Why make a post if it is worthless. There IS a drop. Plus you buy springs to enhance the handling not just for looks. Dinan does that for sure.
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      06-23-2009, 05:04 PM   #25
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Why make a post if it is worthless. There IS a drop. Plus you buy springs to enhance the handling not just for looks. Dinan does that for sure.
LOL

Yeah, a microscopic drop. Awesome.
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LOL

Yeah, a microscopic drop. Awesome.
Come on bro, let him enjoy his new mod. Obviously you both went different directions with your mods...that's what makes modding cars so enjoyable . Ashley, best of luck with your new spring set-up; I think the Dinans are a great way to go.
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Yeah, a microscopic drop. Awesome.
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Nicely done, sir. The drop looks good. I feel strongly (for both aesthetic and reliability reasons) that Dinan is the only way to go.
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Nicely done, sir. The drop looks good. I feel strongly (for both aesthetic and reliability reasons) that Dinan is the only way to go.
Reliability? It's a spring guys. Not an engine.
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i think you just need to throw a better pic up. .5" should be a visible change.
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i think you just need to throw a better pic up. .5" should be a visible change.
Yeah I will in a couple weeks to give things time to settle although I am not positive it will. It is visible in person so the camera does has a bit to do with it. They say the camera adds 10lbs maybe it also subtracts .5 inches. :-D
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BTW springs don't settle. They will remain the same height as the day you installed them as long as they are quality springs
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BTW springs don't settle. They will remain the same height as the day you installed them as long as they are quality springs
All springs settle. Even your treasured H&R springs settle about 1/8". That's why all spring and coilover manufacturer's recommend letting the springs settle for about 2-4 weeks before getting an alignment.
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All springs settle. Even your treasured H&R springs settle about 1/8". That's why all spring and coilover manufacturer's recommend letting the springs settle for about 2-4 weeks before getting an alignment.
That's not what BMW or Dinan recommend. I don't see how the spring itself will "settle". What exactly will happen to the spring in 2 weeks? Will its force deflection curve change all of a sudden? Or are you referring to the spring settling in its supports somehow?
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I've yet to feel my suspension bottom out over any bumps, leaving me to believe there is plenty of travel left in it after the swap.
I don't think your suspension will bottom or anything driving over bumps. The bumpstop itself will compress progressively when the suspension is on it just like a spring. So you are changing the effective spring rate, making it significantly stiffer. The quesiton is more about if it is a good idea to change the spring rate significantly while not adjusting the damping. I don't see how that can be a good idea. If I wanted significantly stiffer springs (and matching dampers), I would have gone for a coilover setup. The Dinan setup is a good compromise for people like me who don't want significantly stiffer springs on a DD and want to keep the stock dampers.
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      06-23-2009, 10:31 PM   #36
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The Dinan springs have a nice drop which is subtle and very difficult to show on pics. There is a definite drop which needs to be seen to be believed. These springs however are not for those who want to go lower. I like the subtle drop, the increase in performance and be able to clear obstructions in the road without scraping.
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I know my H&R's on my E36 M3 definitely settle after a few weeks. It was about 1/2 too high when I first installed them. After a few weeks, they looked perfect.
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Why get springs if you don't want a drop? Send me $800 and keep your stock setup.
But ripping out the stock suspension and putting KWs in there is better right? Of course, because the //M division has no idea how to tune a suspension system, I'm sure slapping a pair of KWs on there is MUCH MORE PRECISELY TUNED. Why even by an //M? Let me guess, you are a track junky who needs that extra control and you have been modding cars for decades and thus know how to independently tune the shocks and springs you got to the proper settings to get BETTER GRIP then the stock suspension. Those stupid Dinan springs won't give you the control that you need because obviously LOWER=BETTER. I'll be my company that if someone gave you the keys to a STOCK //M you couldn't come even come close to the record times for a stock //M on the ring.

Not cool to rip on another forum member who has done nor said anything to you. All she/he did was post up pics of her drop as MANY requested different shots of a dropped //M on Dinan springs in numerous other threads.

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      06-23-2009, 11:35 PM   #39
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But ripping out the stock suspension and putting KWs in there is better right? Of course, because the //M division has no idea how to tune a suspension system, I'm sure slapping a pair of KWs on there is MUCH MORE PRECISELY TUNED. Why even by an //M? Let me guess, you are a track junky who needs that extra control and you have been modding cars for decades and thus know how to independently tune the shocks and springs you got to the proper settings to get BETTER GRIP then the stock suspension. Those stupid Dinan springs won't give you the control that you need because obviously LOWER=BETTER. I'll be my company that if someone gave you the keys to a STOCK //M you couldn't come even come close to the record times for a stock //M on the ring.

Not cool to rip on another forum member who has done nor said anything to you. All she/he did was post up pics of her drop as MANY requested different shots of a dropped //M on Dinan springs in numerous other threads.

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Holy shit chill out angry little man.

To me 800 bucks is a waste for these springs. Different strokes for different folks. Simply stating my opinion.
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I don't think your suspension will bottom or anything driving over bumps. The bumpstop itself will compress progressively when the suspension is on it just like a spring. So you are changing the effective spring rate, making it significantly stiffer. The quesiton is more about if it is a good idea to change the spring rate significantly while not adjusting the damping. I don't see how that can be a good idea. If I wanted significantly stiffer springs (and matching dampers), I would have gone for a coilover setup. The Dinan setup is a good compromise for people like me who don't want significantly stiffer springs on a DD and want to keep the stock dampers.
You're absolutely right. At some point I'm switching to coilovers for better performance. But even the Eibach is a subtle drop so you get by just fine without changing any other suspension components.
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All springs settle. Even your treasured H&R springs settle about 1/8". That's why all spring and coilover manufacturer's recommend letting the springs settle for about 2-4 weeks before getting an alignment.
This is not true, and since the OP just installed his springs maybe he can take some measurements for us now? And then again in two weeks. This is a myth that's been going around forever. My Eibachs are exactly the same height as the day I installed them 6+ weeks ago.

Whenever you jack the car up in the air and let it down softly it always sits a little bit high. But one quick ride around the block settles it back down. Check then and then again in 3 weeks, I bet you don't see a difference.
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Whenever you jack the car up in the air and let it down softly it always sits a little bit high. But one quick ride around the block settles it back down. Check then and then again in 3 weeks, I bet you don't see a difference.
This is probably a big part of the settling that is talked about. When your suspension is at full droop, it takes a while for it to reach its final height after putting the car back on the ground. In my experience, all the springs I've ever had have changed in ride height anywhere from 1/16" to 1/4" a few days after the initial install. I've never driven the car after the install and then remeasured right after though so you could be right. I've had Koni, Eibach, Hyperco, and Vogtland (not all on this car of course). I know of a lot of people that had H&R that had about a 1/8" change. The Vogtland were the least at 1/16".
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