Agree/Disagree with current Israeli Military Operation?

bimmer4me · 07-03-2006, 09:39 AM

What does everyone think of the current Israeli military operation due to the kidnapped Israeli soldier?

e90rocks · 07-03-2006, 10:45 AM

I disagree. While I am generally pro-Israel in most of these disputes, I think that there isn't enough justification for intervention. If there was a small retaliatory strike and pullout on a terrorist locale, that would be appropriate, I think. This kind of stuff is so irritating because the Israelis know that the US has their backs. I suppose that people in the UK feel this way about American endeavors lately.

Squawks · 07-03-2006, 11:46 AM

The fact that Israel is invading over the sake of a soldier means that they've been waiting impatiently for the Palestinians to carry out some sort of act where they can have a 'legitimate' reason to aggressively retaliate (this has always been the way of Israel - they always retaliate when disturbed).

I am not an opponent of Israel's tactics of repititive retaliation - it's also a fault of Palestinians and their allies as they are clearly aware of this characteristic yet they're still constantly poking the stick at the beast.

In some sense, Palestinians are asking for trouble (e.g. the invasion) as they were clearly aware of the consequences displayed by their patience in digging that long tunnel to abduct/kill Israelis in an ambush.

Then again, I can also understand their pain as Israelis instill a secret presence of Mossad in Palestine and Gaza to assassinate people secretly and sometimes bluntly via missle strikes which constantly kill innocent civilians. Sometimes these missle strikes actually kill only innocent civilians and no terrorists.

I answered "somewhat agree" because one of the main concepts of psychology is that punishment/discipline only works if the punishment is harsh and swift - not gradual and moderate.

tl_boy · 07-03-2006, 04:37 PM

I voted Somewhat agree. I feel its harsh, but I also feel the Arabs and Muslim world needs to start passive resistance movements. They've tried violent resistance, and have got their a55es handed to them. They will continue to get it handed to them if they keep this up.

They need a Martin Luther King, Jr. or Gandhi figure. That will gather international support for their causes. As long as they continue beheadings, public executions, kidnappings, hijackings, suicide bombings, etc. etc. they will be portrayed as terrorists and then people won't really care about them.

ska325xi · 07-03-2006, 04:49 PM

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060703/...kxBHNlYwN0bQ--

and what do you guys think about N.K

N. Korea threatens U.S. with 'nuclear war'
http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/as....ap/index.html

I'm sick of wars....lets all roll up a joint and have peace

bimmer4me · 07-03-2006, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by tl_boy

They need a Martin Luther King, Jr. or Gandhi figure. That will gather international support for their causes. As long as they continue beheadings, public executions, kidnappings, hijackings, suicide bombings, etc. etc. they will be portrayed as terrorists and then people won't really care about them.

I fully agree.

KennyVendetta · 07-03-2006, 06:04 PM

Free Palestine

tl_boy · 07-03-2006, 06:13 PM

Read Fareed Zakaria's writings in Newsweek. That guy is brilliant. Very objective in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by bimmer4me

I fully agree.

scubajag · 07-04-2006, 08:41 AM

Israel should have never given back the Gaza. Israel needs to exist as the only beacon of democracy in the draconian Mid-East. Israel needs to secure its borders, and then kick the crap out of any country that interferes, including the use of the ultimate weapons which Israel possesses.

bimmer4me · 07-04-2006, 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scubajag

Israel should have never given back the Gaza. Israel needs to exist as the only beacon of democracy in the draconian Mid-East. Israel needs to secure its borders, and then kick the crap out of any country that interferes, including the use of the ultimate weapons which Israel possesses.

Isn't that the equivalent of saying the United States should secure it borders by dropping nuclear bombs on Mexico for allowing illiegal aliens into America?

monolith · 07-04-2006, 07:31 PM

If Palestinians really wanted that land they wouldn't have been conquered.

thedean786 · 07-04-2006, 07:40 PM

Until the U.S. is willing to take a more just and even hand in it's relations with Israel, then and only then can we call ourselves "brokers for peace".

The current military campaign should be condemned at all cost. I understand the desire to find one of your own but at the cost of harassing and killing innocent Palestinians who had nothing to do with it - it's going too far.

just4kickz · 07-04-2006, 07:40 PM

uhh this whole issue is beyond me... im not religious so i cant really say land is worth dying for.

MIKEYMIKE · 07-05-2006, 01:35 PM

TL boy,

I agree the middle east needs some type of peaceful figure like a ghandi of sorts...However, I think if some one like that came up he'd be assassinated immediately, before he/she could do any good.

Having said that, Israel does what it has to do to survive. Guys, look on a map. It's a country the size of New Jersey in an area bigger than the U.S. surrounded by all Islamic states that want it's destruction.

MIKEYMIKE · 07-05-2006, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by just4kickz

uhh this whole issue is beyond me... im not religious so i cant really say land is worth dying for.

I think it has more to do than with Religion, so many different facets to this.

youyou · 12-21-2006, 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by KennyVendetta

Free Palestine

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

KennyVendetta · 12-21-2006, 04:56 PM

Shouldn't this be bumped to the Politics thread?

View Poll Results: Agree/Disagree with current Israeli Military Operation?
Strongly Agree	13	36.11%
Somewhat Agree	6	16.67%
Not Sure	1	2.78%
Somewhat Disagree	4	11.11%
Strongly Disagree	9	25.00%
I don't know enough about it to say	3	8.33%
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07-03-2006, 10:45 AM	#2
e90rocks Myrmidon Drives: Entwicklung 90 - 325 Xi Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 236 iTrader: (0) Garage List 2006 325 xi [0.00]	Not in favor I disagree. While I am generally pro-Israel in most of these disputes, I think that there isn't enough justification for intervention. If there was a small retaliatory strike and pullout on a terrorist locale, that would be appropriate, I think. This kind of stuff is so irritating because the Israelis know that the US has their backs. I suppose that people in the UK feel this way about American endeavors lately.

07-03-2006, 11:46 AM	#3
Squawks One of my two dachshunds: Drives: B6 A4 3.0 Quattro Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Ithaca, NY Posts: 663 iTrader: (0)	The fact that Israel is invading over the sake of a soldier means that they've been waiting impatiently for the Palestinians to carry out some sort of act where they can have a 'legitimate' reason to aggressively retaliate (this has always been the way of Israel - they always retaliate when disturbed). I am not an opponent of Israel's tactics of repititive retaliation - it's also a fault of Palestinians and their allies as they are clearly aware of this characteristic yet they're still constantly poking the stick at the beast. In some sense, Palestinians are asking for trouble (e.g. the invasion) as they were clearly aware of the consequences displayed by their patience in digging that long tunnel to abduct/kill Israelis in an ambush. Then again, I can also understand their pain as Israelis instill a secret presence of Mossad in Palestine and Gaza to assassinate people secretly and sometimes bluntly via missle strikes which constantly kill innocent civilians. Sometimes these missle strikes actually kill only innocent civilians and no terrorists. I answered "somewhat agree" because one of the main concepts of psychology is that punishment/discipline only works if the punishment is harsh and swift - not gradual and moderate. __________________ I'm sorry about my outlandish behavior - there's too much blood in my alcohol system.

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07-03-2006, 04:37 PM	#4
tl_boy Major Drives: tl Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: houston Posts: 1,329 iTrader: (0)	I voted Somewhat agree. I feel its harsh, but I also feel the Arabs and Muslim world needs to start passive resistance movements. They've tried violent resistance, and have got their a55es handed to them. They will continue to get it handed to them if they keep this up. They need a Martin Luther King, Jr. or Gandhi figure. That will gather international support for their causes. As long as they continue beheadings, public executions, kidnappings, hijackings, suicide bombings, etc. etc. they will be portrayed as terrorists and then people won't really care about them.

07-03-2006, 06:04 PM	#7
KennyVendetta Salsero Drives: 335 Crimson Red Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 260 iTrader: (0)	Free Palestine

07-04-2006, 08:41 AM	#9
scubajag Scuba-JAG Drives: Jet Black 2006&07 B.R. E-92 Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: St. Petersburg, Fl Posts: 528 iTrader: (0)	Israel should have never given back the Gaza. Israel needs to exist as the only beacon of democracy in the draconian Mid-East. Israel needs to secure its borders, and then kick the crap out of any country that interferes, including the use of the ultimate weapons which Israel possesses.

07-04-2006, 07:31 PM	#11
monolith Private Drives: none Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: USA Posts: 72 iTrader: (0)	If Palestinians really wanted that land they wouldn't have been conquered.

07-04-2006, 07:40 PM	#12
thedean786 A Herald of Doom Drives: 2002 Infiniti I35t Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 229 iTrader: (0)	Until the U.S. is willing to take a more just and even hand in it's relations with Israel, then and only then can we call ourselves "brokers for peace". The current military campaign should be condemned at all cost. I understand the desire to find one of your own but at the cost of harassing and killing innocent Palestinians who had nothing to do with it - it's going too far. __________________

07-04-2006, 07:40 PM	#13
just4kickz boku no namae ha... Drives: 2006 BS 330i Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: S. Bay Area, CA + Newark, NJ Posts: 10,576 iTrader: (11) Garage List 2006 E90 330i [0.00]	uhh this whole issue is beyond me... im not religious so i cant really say land is worth dying for. __________________ looking for a PreLCI Black Sapphire e90 front bumper without license plate holes "Akimbo shotguns. Broken wrists anyone? And don't give me that 'it's just a game' bull**. Where the are my akimbo interventions then?! One scope on each eye mother**er!!"

07-05-2006, 01:35 PM	#14
MIKEYMIKE Lieutenant Colonel Drives: 330i 6mt Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: SoCal Posts: 1,516 iTrader: (3)	TL boy, I agree the middle east needs some type of peaceful figure like a ghandi of sorts...However, I think if some one like that came up he'd be assassinated immediately, before he/she could do any good. Having said that, Israel does what it has to do to survive. Guys, look on a map. It's a country the size of New Jersey in an area bigger than the U.S. surrounded by all Islamic states that want it's destruction.

12-21-2006, 04:56 PM	#17
KennyVendetta Salsero Drives: 335 Crimson Red Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 260 iTrader: (0)	Shouldn't this be bumped to the Politics thread? __________________ 335 Sedan \| Crimson Red \| Cream Beige \| Burl Walnut \| Step \| ZSP\| ZPP \| CA \| PDC \| Sunshade \| Paddle Shifters Pick up - Jan 18 2007

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