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      06-17-2013, 08:30 AM   #1
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I am Joe and I am a Christian.....WTF!

Looking at people’s names and locations this forum appears to be filled with very diverse group of people….which I have to say is very refreshing!
Hell there are even two girls here! Who knew!

Anyhow…I grew up in the (SPIT) Islamic (FUCKING) Republic of Iran. I had the great pleasure of being in Iran during the Iran and Iraq war. If you are too young to know what that is look it up. Long story short 1 million people died because some looser spoke to his imaginary friend. As such I have a very bad taste in my mouth when some ignoramus starts talking about the virtues of a theocracy.
Now that said…..I also find it very offensive when people introduce themselves at “Joe Dick and I am a Christian”.
I half feel like saying “I am Shah…self proclaimed ruler of the universe” ….yeah good luck proving me wrong with that one!

Am I the only one offended by this type of introduction or are there others like me?
What do people outside of the US feel about this?
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I'm Joe, and i'm a Christian.
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      06-17-2013, 08:49 AM   #3
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I am Shah and I am god.
I made the sun rise today, i let it set, I created all that you have seen and you will ever see.
I gave you that 4 leaf clover last year and that really cool sunset!

Oh and I have no clue who this Christ guy is you keep praying to. Being a lifelong bachelor and a lover of all thing videogamey….aka creating the universe and what not….I really don’t have time for girls so…..yeah……he aint my kid.


Is how I really want to respond to people who introduce themselves in this way….Because honestly it screams desperation of trust.
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I don't get why people get so easily offended by other people expressing their faith. Some people are just realllllly excited about being Christian. I think they get bonus points for every non-Christian they convert to their side which is why they're always trying to sign people up.
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What is "desperation of trust" anyways?

I'm not offended at all. I am in actual fact a Christian. But I'd have no problem if someone introduced themselves as "Hi, I'm Joe and I'm a Muslim". Just because I don't agree with their beliefs doesn't mean I take offense to them stating that they are a Muslim.

To be honest, your post screams of desperation - I think you know there is a God, but you don't want to acknowledge him - you want to ignore him and hope he doesn't exist and you are looking for validation of this statement from others. And you'll get it from certain members too - who are in the same place as you.

As for me though, I believe there is a God, and He's a just God - there will be punishment for those who have not accepted Christ as their saviour, and I can see how that could scare people and make them want to believe there is no God.

I'm sorry you take that kind of stance (being offended), but hopefully one day your eyes will be opened before its too late. Obviously I would be happy to discuss with you over PM if you want to know more, but I don't cram my beliefs down your throat - doesn't work. All I can do is try to live my life as a witness to others and hopefully they see something different.
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I'm really excited about vagina!
Do you see me trying to convert gays into loving vagina as much as I do?

From my point of view....it's kind of a pathetic way of getting people to "trust you"

It's kind of like me introducing myself as "Shah and the ladies love me"
Sound stupid?
YES!
Is it a pathetic attempt by me to prove to you....a person i don't know nor give a flaming rats ass about that I may or may not be a ladies’ man?

I mean ok…you went to school have a PhD and are a doctor…sure introduce yourself as “Joe the Cardiologist!”
Because you know what…that shit I care about…in case someone is having a heart attack in the office….I’m going to know who to scream for….“Joe the motherfucking Cardiologist!”

And for the record i found Jesus...really nice guy...met him in Yuma Az....and i thanked him for all his hard work!
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I have just assumed that people do it to be annoying. It seems to be working.

I see it like GM putting ABS badges on their cars. It shouldn't come as a surprise, but they'd like to tell you about it anyway.
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I have just assumed that people do it to be annoying. It seems to be working.
Yeah.........maybe it's their way of throwing shit before saying hi?
I don't get it?
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Am I the only one...?
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Yeah.........maybe it's their way of throwing shit before saying hi?
I don't get it?
Just statistically, if you were born in the USA, there's no surprise if you're a Christian. It's sort of like meeting someone from India who's a vegetarian, or a German who eats sausage. It's not like we teach people all of the core facets of each religion and let them actually choose, most just run with what they were born into. Oh good, you didn't actually make a choice, but you're already telling me about it. Cool.
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I am christian but i would never say that to a person i just met... Why would i?
If the person i saying "hi my name is Joe and im a bible hugger" hes obv trying to prove that hes the best and christianity is the way to go... Why else would he say that...
Thats when u reply "hi im Bob and i dont give a fuck!" And walk away.
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I've been in the OT for a while now and used to argue with people like Shah in the religion section. (Where this thread belongs) But what i've found here and on other forums is that people like Shah seem to be as concerned with having people believe that there is no God as much as Christians are concerned with having people believe there is a God.

The only difference between the two is that people like Shah are the ones who start threads about it so they can poo poo all over someone else's beliefs. You'll be hard pressed to find Christians starting threads talking about how all the atheists are going to hell. You'll even be hard pressed to find a Christian saying a cross word about someone who has poo pooed their beliefs.

For the record Shah, being a Christian doesn't afford anyone any amount of trust. Anyone who asks for trust because of being Christian should be mistrusted. For that matter anyone who asks for trust because of being associated with any belief system or organization should be mistrusted.

Maybe someone took advantage of you some time ago who was christian? Maybe you are insecure about your own faith and are projecting your frustration onto christians? I don't claim to know. But as deep seated my beliefs are; you making a mockery of them doesn't offend me. I'll be praying for you today.
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Never heard anyone introduce themselves in this way... perhaps you should move somewhere more diverse.
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I'm a proud Christian. I don't force Christianity on non-Christians but I live the Christian life of being kind and respecting others. I find peace with my religion.
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Shah spends his days thinking about stuff that anybody else files under 'who gives a shit'...
This.

Then he posts them and tries to get people to take him seriously.

When was the last time you updated your OKCupid profile shah?
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I've been in the OT for a while now and used to argue with people like Shah in the religion section. (Where this thread belongs) But what i've found here and on other forums is that people like Shah seem to be as concerned with having people believe that there is no God as much as Christians are concerned with having people believe there is a God.

The only difference between the two is that people like Shah are the ones who start threads about it so they can poo poo all over someone else's beliefs. You'll be hard pressed to find Christians starting threads talking about how all the atheists are going to hell. You'll even be hard pressed to find a Christian saying a cross word about someone who has poo pooed their beliefs.

For the record Shah, being a Christian doesn't afford anyone any amount of trust. Anyone who asks for trust because of being Christian should be mistrusted. For that matter anyone who asks for trust because of being associated with any belief system or organization should be mistrusted.

Maybe someone took advantage of you some time ago who was christian? Maybe you are insecure about your own faith and are projecting your frustration onto christians? I don't claim to know. But as deep seated my beliefs are; you making a mockery of them doesn't offend me. I'll be praying for you today.

In a long winded way are you saying its is no different than Chevy believer arguing with Ford believers which pickup truck is better.

But actually what Sasha is saying is why do people have a need to put their beliefs out in front of you, why does it matter. It just another example of if you not like them then they are better than you somehow.

To your bold statement, I agree, however, I do believe this is what they are doing, using the "I'm a Christian" moniker as a way to gain trust. Over the past 10 yrs I been seeing businesses both on the internet and in person advertising they are a Christian business, at first I could not figure out why they need to tell people this, well it seems that using that moniker will automatically give their business credibility and Christians tend to do business with other Christians, again not sure why that matters. However, did not take the con artists too long to figure this out. Can not tell you how many times I read in the paper how someone hired someone to do work for them and the reason they hired them was because they were a Christian business. The person being ripped off was completely surprise how someone could do that to them. Simply they do not care and they took advantage of you because you blindly believed in the moniker.
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In a long winded way are you saying its is no different than Chevy believer arguing with Ford believers which pickup truck is better.

But actually what Sasha is saying is why do people have a need to put their beliefs out in front of you, why does it matter. It just another example of if you not like them then they are better than you somehow.

To your bold statement, I agree, however, I do believe this is what they are doing, using the "I'm a Christian" moniker as a way to gain trust. Over the past 10 yrs I been seeing businesses both on the internet and in person advertising they are a Christian business, at first I could not figure out why they need to tell people this, well it seems that using that moniker will automatically give their business credibility and Christians tend to do business with other Christians, again not sure why that matters. However, did not take the con artists too long to figure this out. Can not tell you how many times I read in the paper how someone hired someone to do work for them and the reason they hired them was because they were a Christian business. The person being ripped off was completely surprise how someone could do that to them. Simply they do not care and they took advantage of you because you blindly believed in the moniker.
yes i see that a lot in email scams .
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In a long winded way are you saying its is no different than Chevy believer arguing with Ford believers which pickup truck is better.

But actually what Sasha is saying is why do people have a need to put their beliefs out in front of you, why does it matter. It just another example of if you not like them then they are better than you somehow.

To your bold statement, I agree, however, I do believe this is what they are doing, using the "I'm a Christian" moniker as a way to gain trust. Over the past 10 yrs I been seeing businesses both on the internet and in person advertising they are a Christian business, at first I could not figure out why they need to tell people this, well it seems that using that moniker will automatically give their business credibility and Christians tend to do business with other Christians, again not sure why that matters. However, did not take the con artists too long to figure this out. Can not tell you how many times I read in the paper how someone hired someone to do work for them and the reason they hired them was because they were a Christian business. The person being ripped off was completely surprise how someone could do that to them. Simply they do not care and they took advantage of you because you blindly believed in the moniker.
Actually, i said that in 2 sentences. But you may have overlooked the point of that explanation which were the following 3 sentences.

The first bolded statement is Sasha's or your opinion, possibly based on experience but likely based on how she or you, and others of similar mindset feel. The majority of the people you're speaking of would go out of their way to help you should you be in need; and it's not because they feel they are better than you. It's because they feel if all of us had the mind set of taking care of others as we would ourselves, all of us would be better off. One thing that most non christians don't understand is that when someone as an adult finds Christ he or she is often super excited about their new found peace and want to share it with others. Sadly, the world has a way of squelching that flame rather quickly.

I deal with a lot of people on a daily basis and i have only seen a few and i mean 2 -4 experiences where someone had something revealing their beliefs in their email signature. I have NEVER had anyone introduce themselves in this way face to face. Given, there are but a few responses in this thread, the majority seem to agree that this isn't a problem warranting a rant thread.

To the second bolded statement. I'm pretty sure if you really thought about it you could tell me. Because I'm willing to bet that it's not nearly as rampant as you make it out to be. I'm fairly up on current events and this is a rarity. The media however when reporting on these incidents would have you believe they happen the majority of the time. I think you'll find the facts would point out for every person/company using Christianity to prey on believers. There are hundreds of other companies that are christian run who don't. Either way, those companies playing on the minds of the gullible have little to do with the OPs rant.

Someone mentioned how being a christian is mostly a life style given to people by their parents. During my interaction other christians, i have found that the majority of the people i meet found Christ as an adult. Many even come from broken homes, a life of violence and crime, some from a life of addiction. Why others feel it necessary to mock these people for what they believe i have no idea.

There are so many icons people use to express their feelings of being better than other people, i don't get why this would rub anyone the wrong way anymore than the others.

Sorry for being long winded.

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yes i see that a lot in email scams .
Yes, but this is different than a brick & mortar business using this for dishonest business practices.
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