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      07-05-2009, 09:43 PM   #45
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Thanks Lemans Blue. I think I'm persuaded enough to give them a try when my new RACs come in.
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Check out these Yoko's on a 10" LM rim. They seem to fit about right and look to be able to take a little more tire in back.


http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=277429
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If I ever get my Klassens, these are the tires I'm going with. I was initially going to get Invos, but after researching the Vredesteins a bit, they seem like a no-brainer.
Good call - the Invos rated poorly in this month's C&D "Affordable Summer Tire Test" (August, pp. 97-105). This is a pretty good comparison test, but the Vreds were not included, unfortunately.

There's a good selection of 9 other tires compared to the PS2s, though. They rated Dunlop Direzza Sport Z1 Star Spec at the top.
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      07-05-2009, 11:18 PM   #48
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Good call - the Invos rated poorly in this month's C&D "Affordable Summer Tire Test" (August, pp. 97-105). This is a pretty good comparison test, but the Vreds were not included, unfortunately.

There's a good selection of 9 other tires compared to the PS2s, though. They rated Dunlop Direzza Sport Z1 Star Spec at the top.
Good point, but...

It's not clear when or if Dunlop will ever produce the Direzza Sport tires in the most popular 19" or 20" tire sizes for our cars.

The biggest tire size they make is an 18".
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Good call - the Invos rated poorly in this month's C&D "Affordable Summer Tire Test" (August, pp. 97-105). This is a pretty good comparison test, but the Vreds were not included, unfortunately.

There's a good selection of 9 other tires compared to the PS2s, though. They rated Dunlop Direzza Sport Z1 Star Spec at the top.
Sounds like a good article, scan by any chance?
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Sounds like a good article, scan by any chance?
I'll try to do that tomorrow.
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Good point, but...

It's not clear when or if Dunlop will ever produce the Direzza Sport tires in the most popular 19" or 20" tire sizes for our cars.

The biggest tire size they make is an 18".
Good point - the test size was a 17". I hadn't researched them yet.
2nd & 3rd places were the Hancook Ventus V12 Evo & Kumho Ecsta XS, respectively. Michelins were in the upper end, but best only in wet autocross & skidpad.
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Sounds like a good article, scan by any chance?
Surprisingly,

The PS2 didn't do all that well against the other tires in the individual tests.

Given their lofty reputation, you would think the performance would be better. Their measurable results were more or less mediocre. (mid-pack on most tests)

I wouldn't be surprised to see Michelin come out with a new high performance tire in the next year or so to re-assert their dominance.
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Good point - the test size was a 17". I hadn't researched them yet.
2nd & 3rd places were the Hancook Ventus V12 Evo & Kumho Ecsta XS, respectively. Michelins were in the upper end, but best only in wet autocross & skidpad.
The results of the Hankook Ventus V12 Evo tires probably surprised me the most. Didn't really see that coming...

It ranked #1 in wet braking.
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Good call - the Invos rated poorly in this month's C&D "Affordable Summer Tire Test" (August, pp. 97-105). This is a pretty good comparison test, but the Vreds were not included, unfortunately.

There's a good selection of 9 other tires compared to the PS2s, though. They rated Dunlop Direzza Sport Z1 Star Spec at the top.
Thanks for the info--I'll give it a read. I think my C&D subscription just ended, so I'll need to go pick up a copy.
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Thanks for the info--I'll give it a read. I think my C&D subscription just ended, so I'll need to go pick up a copy.
I've posted scans here: http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthr...03#post5455003, but buy the mag!
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I've posted scans here: http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthr...03#post5455003, but buy the mag!

Just found out the damn Hankook Ventus V12 Evo is already discontinued.

And to make matters even worse...the replacement model doesn't come in 19" or 20" tire sizes either.
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Just found out the damn Hankook Ventus V12 Evo is already discontinued.

And to make matters even worse...the replacement model doesn't come in 19" or 20" tire sizes either.
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I've posted scans here: http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthr...03#post5455003, but buy the mag!
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Just found out the damn Hankook Ventus V12 Evo is already discontinued.

And to make matters even worse...the replacement model doesn't come in 19" or 20" tire sizes either.
I asked about experience with these tires in another thread, but got no responses. I guess it's nobody here has run them before.

discounttiredirect.com seems to have them in stock in sizes that fit the OEM 19. Here's a link (hope it works) http://www.discounttiredirect.com/di...%2FPerformance
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The Vreds are (and have been) generating alot of business with Mopar SRT8 owners as well. I believe the Ultracs have a thicker side wall as I heard they were originally designed for the sportier SUV market (heavier vehicles)... I have them on a 600 HP SRT8 Charger with KW coilovers, and I have ZERO complaints about them whether going straight or on the twisties... only praise.
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The Vreds are (and have been) generating alot of business with Mopar SRT8 owners as well. I believe the Ultracs have a thicker side wall as I heard they were originally designed for the sportier SUV market (heavier vehicles)... I have them on a 600 HP SRT8 Charger with KW coilovers, and I have ZERO complaints about them whether going straight or on the twisties... only praise.
How is the noise and ride?
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Hmmm. I was going to go 265/35F, 285/35R, but the best option w/ the Vreds is 255 & 275. If they run a little wide that may be okay. I may not be able to hold out for new rears until the RACs come, so I may put those on my stock 19s and give them a try. Compared to the PS2s they're almost free!
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Think you meant Greg, but I ordered a set today just because the price was too good to pass up. Friend of mine here in the forum is probably ordering some tomorrow from the same guy. I'll ask him for a review
Just wondering if you guys every got these tires and how you like them?

What sizes did you get for the stock wheels?
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Just wondering if you guys every got these tires and how you like them?

What sizes did you get for the stock wheels?
I think both these guys are waiting to put the Vreds on the RAC wheels.

I'd also like to see some additional reviews specific to the M3 and comparing to the PS2.
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I think both these guys are waiting to put the Vreds on the RAC wheels.
Yes, as I am. I am going to purchase a set when the RACs are closer to delivery.
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I think both these guys are waiting to put the Vreds on the RAC wheels.
Yep, got some used PS2s for the rear to tide me over. I'll go with the 255/275 setup when the RACs come. Krueger who posts on the Northwest forum occasionally has them on his coupe and likes them.
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What size would you guys use for the stock 19's? My brother in-law needs some new tires.
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