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      03-15-2010, 04:17 PM   #265
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I just noticed the Motor Trend long term ISF had it's tires replaced with Vreds in December. Did anyone notice any comments on them in the following issues?
I was browsing through an old issues in a waiting room.
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      03-24-2010, 11:00 PM   #266
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Is there any problem with only replacing the rears with 275 35 19s and leaving the stock fronts?
I ask because I just did this and didn't replace the fronts because they still had tread. I noticed right away that the steering feels looser like I'm driving a boat. It's really not good at all. Could this be why?
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      03-24-2010, 11:19 PM   #267
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Just give the Vreds some time to break in. They take a few hundred miles before they start sticking.
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500 miles in.

Wet - Very noticeably better than PS2s.

Dry - same as PS2s

Road noise - no different to PS2s

Turn in - Noticeably better than PS2s

Before 500 miles - noticeably more slip than PS2s
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      03-25-2010, 08:11 PM   #272
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500 miles in.

Wet - Very noticeably better than PS2s.

Dry - same as PS2s

Road noise - no different to PS2s

Turn in - Noticeably better than PS2s

Before 500 miles - noticeably more slip than PS2s
This is very consistent with my experience after 2K miles, and I'm very happy with the Vreds. Of course, all new tires are a bit slippery for the first 300-500 miles.

Some have mentioned more ride harshness due to stiffer sidewalls, but my perception is no difference, and as far as I'm concerned they're quite good and amazing for the price. I've seen no downside, and I will also add I see no signs of wear after 2K.

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      03-26-2010, 12:59 AM   #273
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whats the avg miles you can get out of these tires? no track just a daily driven
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      03-26-2010, 07:28 AM   #274
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whats the avg miles you can get out of these tires? no track just a daily driven
The OEM Michelin PS2s have a treadwear rating of 220, vs. 280 for the Vreds (higher number means longer expected life). For normal driving, which means, not abusing the tires, many people report 12-15K. Thus, you might squeeze out 18-20K on the Vreds if you are gentle, but that's a stretch.
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The OEM Michelin PS2s have a treadwear rating of 220, vs. 280 for the Vreds (higher number means longer expected life). For normal driving, which means, not abusing the tires, many people report 12-15K. Thus, you might squeeze out 18-20K on the Vreds if you are gentle, but that's a stretch.
Note, the wear rating should only be used to compare tires of the same manufacturer. It's an inaccurate measure when compared across different brands.
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Note, the wear rating should only be used to compare tires of the same manufacturer. It's an inaccurate measure when compared across different brands.
True indeed, however I can say with certainty that the Vreds are standing up to autox/track much better than my last set of PS2's did.

But then again my driving has become much more smoother!
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Groan, sorry about that quad post back there. Computers and the internet, it'll never take off you know, just a passing fad. Bloody technology!

For a short while after they were scrubbed I thought they werent gripping as well but then I realised I was just getting more feedback through the wheel.
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few remarks after about 700 miles with my new Vred's
Compared to the Michelin PS2, when the Vred's are cold and until I drive for about 10-15 miles, the Vred's produce definitely more vibrations. After 10-15 miles it's smoother but first 10 minutes, comfort is not there.
I even had my wheels rechecked for balance to be sure.
But in the rain, they handle much better than the Michelin and on dry, when the tires are up in temperatures, great grip.
I just wanted to know if someone else noticed this issue with cold tires?
You describe my experience with Vreds exactly. As mentioned above, I think that it has to do with flat spotting.
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I have no issues with vibration, cold or warm. As I have noted before, however, they are much harsher overall in terms of comfort; almost feel like runflats (maybe not quite that bad).
Would you get the Vreds again? Or, go back to the PS2s?
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I have no issues with vibration, cold or warm. As I have noted before, however, they are much harsher overall in terms of comfort; almost feel like runflats (maybe not quite that bad).
I second this. I can definitely put up with the harshness for an extra $800 dollars in my pocket.
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      03-29-2010, 11:33 AM   #282
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Would you get the Vreds again? Or, go back to the PS2s?
If feeling flush, I would go with PS3s (assuming sizes become available). The Vreds are definitely a bargain, though.
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True indeed, however I can say with certainty that the Vreds are standing up to autox/track much better than my last set of PS2's did.

But then again my driving has become much more smoother!
Are the outside shoulders taking the tracking OK. The PS2's would just roll on the edges of the tire and get shredded due to the soft sidewall.
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      03-30-2010, 10:58 AM   #284
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anybody have any experience running these on 20s?
looking to see if these would work without rubbing on the following spec:
BBS LM-R 20x9.5 +23 front - 255/30/20
20x10+18 rear - 285/30/20
e93 m3 lowered on either dinan (7/8" front, 3/4" rear) or eibach (1" front, 3/5" rear) springs
an earlier thread mentioned that 255/30/20 on the front will only work with bridgestones potenzas and nittos. would these vreds be excluded as well?
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True indeed, however I can say with certainty that the Vreds are standing up to autox/track much better than my last set of PS2's did.

But then again my driving has become much more smoother!
Sounds good, I'm picking up a set for my RG63s as well.
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What size tires are u 19inch m3 oem wheels users going?
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