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      06-02-2009, 10:19 PM   #23
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I too am thinking about going with the RE-11's

Look what i found on teh MB C63AMG forums:

Here is a link to the 350Z forum where they have a video of 4 Miata's running each of the four tires.

Toyo R1R
Yokohama Neova
Bridgestone Potenza RE11
Dunlop Direzza Z1 star spec

http://my350z.com/forum/wheels-and-t...ml#post7127590

For those that don't want to hop over and view the video here is the race analysis.

1) All laps
..........................Average............Stand ard Deviation
Bridgestone............71.363...................1. 624
Dunlop...................71.716................... 2.250
Yoko......................71.447.................. 1.899
Toyo.....................72.841................... 1.736

2) Dropping the starting lap (slowest lap)
...........................Average...........Stand ard Deviation..Total time for these 14 laps
Bridgestone............70.950....................0 .295...... .................993.297
Dunlop...................71.313................... 1.685..... ...................998.388
Yoko.....................70.959................... .0.196.... ...................993.429
Toyo.....................72.427................... .0.698.... ..................1013.984

3) Dropping the starting (slowest) and fastest laps
...........................Average............Stan dard Deviation....Total time for these 13 laps
Bridgestone............70.974....................0 .293...... .................922.657
Dunlop...................71.372................... .1.739.... ...................927.838
Yoko.....................70.981................... .0.183.... ...................922.772
Toyo.....................72.514................... .0.640.... ...................942.689
This is really good info. Thanks for posting
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      06-02-2009, 10:37 PM   #24
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I was going to try out the RE11s but they only had 265/35/19 and 305/30/19 in the wide width 19" range. I have 10.5" rear wheels now which need at least 285 or 295. 305 could potentially rub based on other members' experience. So I went back to the PS2, which costed an arm and a leg. Hopefully Bridgestone will come out with more sizes.
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      06-02-2009, 10:53 PM   #25
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I believe they make a 285/35/19 now, going on 19x10.5 wheels as well

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I believe they make a 285/35/19 now, going on 19x10.5 wheels as well

lol no way! they must have just added these. I am definitely trying them when my PS2s run out.

Someone try these and report back!
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      06-02-2009, 11:18 PM   #27
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4lbs/corner in the tire is the worst possible place for it. Hard to beat the PS2 all around (wet/dry/noise/ride) unless you spend time at the track (and in that case, you're better off with dedicated track wheels/tires anyways).
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      06-03-2009, 12:33 AM   #28
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4lbs/corner in the tire is the worst possible place for it. Hard to beat the PS2 all around (wet/dry/noise/ride) unless you spend time at the track (and in that case, you're better off with dedicated track wheels/tires anyways).
The biggest problem with the PS2 IMO is the price. 285/35/19 PS2 is $436 vs $288 for the RE-11.

Ben: Are the weights correct that the RE-11 in this size range is a full 4 lb heavier than the PS2? That is over 15% which seems really like a lot.
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      06-03-2009, 09:29 PM   #29
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Just when i thought that htis was the tire for me, I read the following review on tire rack:


"...The RE-11 tire is non-directional, it does not have a rotational arrow. Although it is oriented (outside, inside). So on the right side of the car, the pattern on the tire aims up and on the left side of the car, the pattern on the tire aims down. It looks a little funny, like if mounted backwards. Although the outside and inside mount settings are respected...."

This seems kind of strange to me? I'm pretty anal about symmetry. thoughts on this?

This is just a part of the review- the full review can be found here:
http://www.tirerack.com/survey/Surve...D635WR9RE11XL#
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Just when i thought that htis was the tire for me, I read the following review on tire rack:


"...The RE-11 tire is non-directional, it does not have a rotational arrow. Although it is oriented (outside, inside). So on the right side of the car, the pattern on the tire aims up and on the left side of the car, the pattern on the tire aims down. It looks a little funny, like if mounted backwards. Although the outside and inside mount settings are respected...."

This seems kind of strange to me? I'm pretty anal about symmetry. thoughts on this?

This is just a part of the review- the full review can be found here:
http://www.tirerack.com/survey/Surve...D635WR9RE11XL#
If it has an inside and outside then it IS directional. It is a different way to communicate the exact same concept. All directional tires will do this - go look at your PS2s!
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I just mounted a set of RE11s today. Just looking at the RE11s compared to the PS2s you can see that the RE11s have a much more square side wall, which helps with turn-in and feel. The tread blocks are also larger on the RE11s vs the PS2s. The side walls on the RE11s are noticeably stiffer than on the PS2s (yes this means they feel a bit more harsh over bumps).

I agree that the PS2 is probably a better all around tire for wet/dry/comfort/..., but I really don't care about wet performance in socal and $100 more per tire is just not worth it to me for a tire with less dry performance.

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If it has an inside and outside then it IS directional. It is a different way to communicate the exact same concept. All directional tires will do this - go look at your PS2s!
That's not quite right. The PS2 and RE11s are not directional, they are asymmetrical and there is certainly a difference between the 2 types.

On directional tires the tread pattern is designed to rotate in a specific direction (mostly for water evacuation) and there are arrows pointing which direction the tire should rotate.

On asymmetrical tires the tread pattern is designed to rotate in either direction, but the outside and inside edges of the tire have different tread patterns.
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      06-03-2009, 11:22 PM   #32
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I just mounted a set of RE11s today. Just looking at the RE11s compared to the PS2s you can see that the RE11s have a much more square side wall, which helps with turn-in and feel. The tread blocks are also larger on the RE11s vs the PS2s. The side walls on the RE11s are noticeably stiffer than on the PS2s (yes this means they feel a bit more harsh over bumps).

I agree that the PS2 is probably a better all around tire for wet/dry/comfort/..., but I really don't care about wet performance in socal and $100 more per tire is just not worth it to me for a tire with less dry performance.



That's not quite right. The PS2 and RE11s are not directional, they are asymmetrical and there is certainly a difference between the 2 types.

On directional tires the tread pattern is designed to rotate in a specific direction (mostly for water evacuation) and there are arrows pointing which direction the tire should rotate.

On asymmetrical tires the tread pattern is designed to rotate in either direction, but the outside and inside edges of the tire have different tread patterns.
Please keep us posted of how you like them. I had the RE01R's on my 335i and I would imagine they are even more improved now.
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Please keep us posted of how you like them. I had the RE01R's on my 335i and I would imagine they are even more improved now.
Yes I will. I had RE01Rs on my Cayman S as well and those were quite an improvement over the PS2s. I'll be setting up an autox in a couple weeks, will do a few runs with the E90 and will report back.
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lol no way! they must have just added these. I am definitely trying them when my PS2s run out.

Someone try these and report back!
This must be a joke, I checked today and the 285s are gone. Also a price increase might have taken place, 265/35/19 is $294 a tire now, where 285/35/19 is wider but at $288 which has vanished from tirerack website...

I did notice that they had fewer than 9 so tirerack might have been sold out.
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That's not quite right. The PS2 and RE11s are not directional, they are asymmetrical and there is certainly a difference between the 2 types.

On directional tires the tread pattern is designed to rotate in a specific direction (mostly for water evacuation) and there are arrows pointing which direction the tire should rotate.

On asymmetrical tires the tread pattern is designed to rotate in either direction, but the outside and inside edges of the tire have different tread patterns.
Yes, I screwed up with my last statement. Both RE-11 and the OEM PS2 will have a bit of a different look L to R that is not symmetrical with respect to the cars centerline - because they both have a specific outer and inner designation. They do this (obviously) on many UHP tires so that the tire can have an specialized inner vs outer edge because the outer edge has to handle more of the cornering load. The patterns as well as compounds often differ inside to outside on such tires.
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This must be a joke, I checked today and the 285s are gone. Also a price increase might have taken place, 265/35/19 is $294 a tire now, where 285/35/19 is wider but at $288 which has vanished from tirerack website...

I did notice that they had fewer than 9 so tirerack might have been sold out.
Yup, noticed that as well. Totally gone of tirerack. The official Bridgestone site lists the widest RE-11 at only 275. Tirerack is still showing a 305 as well. Weird. I'm pretty well decided on these as well but only if I can get 285. Where is Ben? Still stuck in jury duty?
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I don't see how you can expect to get any useful data back by asking for anecdotal opinions on specific tyres when they are not being compared in any meaningfull way. Don't you need an M3 testing the selected tyres with the same level of scrubbed tread on the same surface and measure wet/dry braking distances, steady cornering g etc?
Its rare that someone who has researched the tyre choices for his car and invested his own money is then going to admit that he made a stupid choice and the tyres he bought were rubbish.
There was an endless debate about tyres for the E46 M3 where (at least in the UK) the OEM Michelin was always touted as being far superior to the OEM Continental yet back to back tyre tests showed the Continental as having a slight edge...but once the consensus was that the Michelin PS2 was best, few people were prepared to say otherwise.
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Yup, noticed that as well. Totally gone of tirerack. The official Bridgestone site lists the widest RE-11 at only 275. Tirerack is still showing a 305 as well. Weird. I'm pretty well decided on these as well but only if I can get 285. Where is Ben? Still stuck in jury duty?
SWAMP,

I know this is slightly OT, but you still have stock 19s right? I ask because you are talking about getting 285 on the rear, so my question, one I have had for a while is BMW places 265 PS2 on the rear and 245 on the front, but can you increase that? Will bigger tires not be stretched enough and thus result in a "soft pillow" affect on the edge of the tire?

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I love the RE-11s on the street and of this group they're the best on the track IMO.
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I know this is slightly OT, but you still have stock 19s right? I ask because you are talking about getting 285 on the rear, so my question, one I have had for a while is BMW places 265 PS2 on the rear and 245 on the front, but can you increase that? Will bigger tires not be stretched enough and thus result in a "soft pillow" affect on the edge of the tire?
No, 285 would be for the new RAC wheel I'm planning on. Not sure about the official numbers for the RE-11 but the PS2 in 285 is speced by Michelin for a 9.5"-11" wide wheel. I wouldn't personally run a 285 on the OEM rear wheel.
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RE-11's!
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Re-11 wins hands down.
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Re-11 wins hands down.
Why? have you tried them?
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Why? have you tried them?
I've tried all three on the list... The Michelin PS2 is great, don't get me wrong, but I still believe doesn't have the same grip levels in the DRY as the RE-11. I'm more oriented to a super sticky tire rather than the best treadware possible (which is still pretty low in the other tires as well). But the Pirelli PZero Rosso and the Pirelli PZero Nero's just didn't really make me "happy" I guess when I had them.

It's all a matter of opinion really on this one, but in my mind, the Re-11 is an awesome tire worth looking into if you don't mind having a tire that doesn't last super long.
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Thanks for the perspective. Give a lot more with to your earlier recommendation.

My only comment is that the Pirelli Rosso and Nero are not the same as the PZero "hero" which is a lot better than the two you mentioned.

Per my earlier post, see below the rosso is dead last in the rankings
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