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      06-24-2009, 03:49 PM   #67
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Im sorry, newb question...WTF is orange peel???
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      06-24-2009, 03:54 PM   #68
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Im sorry, newb question...WTF is orange peel???
did you look at post #48???

it's not a perfect mirror reflection. that's due to uneven paint surface, called orange peel
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      06-24-2009, 03:58 PM   #69
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My question is now that we know the orange peel can be safely removed, how many of you would be willing to take the plunge and have their entire car wet sanded?
Depends on cost...and if someone as skilled as you were around. I don't trust any of the local detailers in Pittsburgh. Anyone have a referral? : )

As for this thread:

-I have noticed that the orange peel on this car is worse than my:

$30k 2004 STi - except for the lower panels on the STi which were very bad.
$45k 2000 A6 2.7T - but then again, the paint did chip incredibly easily.

-Wet sanding will NOT screw up your paint if done properly
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      06-24-2009, 04:05 PM   #70
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This statement is coming from a guy that makes his living wet sanding unsuspecting folks cars. I know of several dark color cars... a Jag, a porsche, and a vette that were wet sanded, looked great, and 6 months later look like dog ass.

Don't even think about wet sanding your new car.
that has to be one of the most retarded posts i have read. know more friends and people who actually know how to detail and treat car paint.

do you realize almost all cars from factory, after going through the paint process, they still have to go through polishing process to get things to look shiny? those are the "NEW" cars that you refer to. do you see them going dull after months?

do you realize all cars coming out of body shops (accidents or whatever), after painting process they ALL go through polishing processes too? without that the paint will look like crap and horrendous orange peel effect? i guess you don't

wet sanding and polishing are necessary crucial steps in creating a pristine mirror finish on paint finish. it's the way to make a surface completely smooth and take out all the swirl marks. it does not "wear" out unless scratches are put on top.

the cars that you have seen, they were simply done by cheap shops or people who have no idea about what they do. the paint aren't correctly polished and cleaned before they put on greasy fillers and wax to "HIDE" the imperfections. that's why when the wax wear out in months you see it being dull
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did you look at post #48???

it's not a perfect mirror reflection. that's due to uneven paint surface, called orange peel
I tried reading through everything but I must have missed it.. Thanks for the info on #48...
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Wanted to bump this and say I'm going to wet sand my entire M3 when I get back from NY next week. Orange peel will be a thing of the past. Stay tuned for pics.
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      03-16-2010, 04:09 PM   #73
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Doesn't bother me one bit
In fact, I like the orange peel!
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Take a look at this link from KDS in the UK. Look at the black truck in the video and tell me it's not worth doing

http://www.kdskeltec.co.uk/paint_correction.phtml
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Wanted to bump this and say I'm going to wet sand my entire M3 when I get back from NY next week. Orange peel will be a thing of the past. Stay tuned for pics.
nice! please keep us posted
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Good luck, keep us posted.
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My car is Alpine White and it has orange peel. Mostly only on the sides of the car. The front and rear bumper covers along with the side rocker covers don't have any. Go figure. Maybe it has something to do with the flex agent they put in the paint for the flexible parts?

Doesn't bother me to much but I'm certainly glad I didn't get a darker color since it would show through much easier and be much more noticeable. Just doesn't seem right to be on a 70K car, but as others have stated, just about all cars have it to some degree.
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i like the orange peel, it smells good
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take measurements!!!! factory paint is about 40/40/40 or 30/30/30 = primer, base, clear sand too much and you are going through the clear!

only do this if you plan on having a tight wash regimen and only light polish every once in a while, not if you are a polish nut always trying to keep a swirl free finish!

There is a reason people say not to sand a factory finish!
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      03-17-2010, 01:52 AM   #81
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take measurements!!!! factory paint is about 40/40/40 or 30/30/30 = primer, base, clear sand too much and you are going through the clear!

only do this if you plan on having a tight wash regimen and only light polish every once in a while, not if you are a polish nut always trying to keep a swirl free finish!

There is a reason people say not to sand a factory finish!
Who do you think you're talking to? I've done 100% wet sands on more than 30 cars in my life. Kindly stay out of my threads Eric.
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      03-17-2010, 02:22 AM   #82
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Not to mention, even a "polish nut" is only going to remove a micron or two at a time unless there is some serious correction needed. If you're using something like Klasse which is almost entirely chemical polish, not abrasive, it's even less. Sheesh, so many people think this is rocket science.
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well, to clarify since you are always taking everything I say out of context...

I viewed a report on the effects of wetsanding and compounding and polishing on a traditional factory clear coat a while back.

In that report, a total of 8-10 microns of paint were removed from the start to finish - sanding, compounding to remove sanding marks, polishing to remove compounding haze, fine polishing to get absolute clarity, NO wax. Now, if you take that 40/40/40 scenario, you are looking at about 30 safe microns left before you blow through the clear.

If you remove 2 microns of paint with minor polishing two times a year, then you have about 6 years of safe detailing on the car.

If you have a car with the 30/30/30 platform, then you only have 4 years of safe detailing....

just pointing things out that arent always talked about...not trying to take away from you man, relax.
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http://www.detailingworld.co.uk/foru...d.php?t=141365

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that was amazing..i like!
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The only negative to having a totally flat orange peel free paint that I can see would be maintenance of the finish after it is complete. When the paint has some texture it is a little more forgiving and doesn't show fine scratches and swirls the same as if it is totally flat. My brother and I wetsanded and polished his 1993 VW Corrado VR6 about 12 years ago. The final product was amazing but you basically had to be very careful with any type of rubbing or polishing on the finish including wax and glaze application, even by hand. You even had to use some type of QD as a lube when drying the car, and remember these were in the days before QD's were intended to be used on a wet car.

I know the finished product will be amazing and Eric, you are an amazing detailer but maybe you should consider having the complete car covered in Ventureshield once it is completed. That way it will still look flat and awesome but you will never have to polish on the paint itself again.
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That looks amazing! Can't help but wonder how it would look like with Jet Black. Of course, then I'd have to be real meticulous when washing.

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The only negative to having a totally flat orange peel free paint that I can see would be maintenance of the finish after it is complete. When the paint has some texture it is a little more forgiving and doesn't show fine scratches and swirls the same as if it is totally flat. My brother and I wetsanded and polished his 1993 VW Corrado VR6 about 12 years ago. The final product was amazing but you basically had to be very careful with any type of rubbing or polishing on the finish including wax and glaze application, even by hand. You even had to use some type of QD as a lube when drying the car, and remember these were in the days before QD's were intended to be used on a wet car.

I know the finished product will be amazing and Eric, you are an amazing detailer but maybe you should consider having the complete car covered in Ventureshield once it is completed. That way it will still look flat and awesome but you will never have to polish on the paint itself again.
Hey Jamie,

I agree with what you said; you definitely have to be extremely careful with maintenance once the wet sanding is finished. Technology has come quite a long way since the early 90s: the combined lubricity of QDs + foam pads allows for the prevention of swirling, even on wet sanded paint. 0 PPM water also aids in the process by sidestepping the drying step entirely, but I understand that very few people have ready access to a supply of such water. Its cost prohibitive for most, but the results are 100%. You can see a good portion of my filtering system in this picture:



Here's the driver side door on my E92 prior to correction:

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