BMW M3 Forum (E90 E92)

BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read


Go Back   M3Post - BMW M3 Forum > M3 (E90 / E92 / E93) > New and Preowned M3 Pricing, Ordering, Tracking / European Delivery / Dealer Reviews
 
ESS Tuning
Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      04-29-2009, 04:49 PM   #1
paulywally
New Member
 
Drives: 09 E90 M3
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: DFW

Posts: 15
iTrader: (0)

Help me decide on this E90 deal...

Just got back from dealer, and this is what they offer:

09 sedan 6MT
Silverstone II/Silver Novillo Leather/Brushed Aluminium Trim
Premium Package
Moonroof
Satellite Radio
HD Radio
IPod/USB
Dest. charge
Gas Guzzler
MSRP = 61,570
Invoice = 57,080
Drive out = $60,000

I am in Texas, so T+L is $185, and tax is 6.25% ($3579). So basically the offer is around $800 off invoice...

Personally I think it is a great deal, but what do you think? I don't want to over-analyze the deal, but here are some of my concerns:

- car has 70 miles on it, which basically due to lack of demo M3. I am not thrilled about it, since I personally know how hard each of us pushed during test drive!
- lack of Tech package. I read on other thread that it is a must. Would I be regretting it down the road, and lower resale?

Originally I was going to work on ordering with exact spec, but I don't think I would get anything close to this offer...

thoughts?
paulywally is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      04-29-2009, 05:04 PM   #2
akssriva
Private First Class
 
akssriva's Avatar
 
Drives: 2009 M3 (E90)
Join Date: May 2008
Location: SF Bay Area

Posts: 130
iTrader: (0)

I also hear the tech package is an absolute must. My theory is if you're willing to spend the kind of money these things cost, it doesn't hurt to either wait patiently for the next deal or else spend a few hundred over invoice and order one.
__________________
2009 M3 E90, Jerez Black, Red Nov leather, Premium Pkg, Tech Pkg, DCT, 19" Wheels and loads of attitude
akssriva is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      04-29-2009, 05:26 PM   #3
Poofyo101
Major
 
Poofyo101's Avatar
 
Drives: e92 ///M3
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: NC

Posts: 1,182
iTrader: (9)

Garage List
1988 BMW M3  [0.00]
1988 BMW M3  [0.00]
2012 BMW M3  [0.00]
1990 BMW M3  [0.00]
^^agreed
Poofyo101 is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      04-29-2009, 05:58 PM   #4
Cab5er
Colonel
 
Cab5er's Avatar
 
Drives: 09 E90 M3 & 07 TL
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Fremont, Hainan

Posts: 2,338
iTrader: (22)

Sick deal! If you don't care about M drive, Navi or EDC then go for it.
__________________

E90 ///M3/ AW/ Fox Red
Cab5er is offline   China
0
Reply With Quote
      04-30-2009, 04:40 PM   #5
isugoo
Major General
 
isugoo's Avatar
 
Drives: 14 M5 CP
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Irvine, CA

Posts: 5,580
iTrader: (60)

you'll have hard time selling it w/o tech package in the future.
__________________

PAST: 11 E70 X5M | 08 E90 M3 | 08 E92 335i | 03.5 E46 M3 | 99 E36 M3
isugoo is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      04-30-2009, 04:53 PM   #6
MrHarris
yodog
 
MrHarris's Avatar
 
Drives: '86 Corolla
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Diamond Bar, Ca

Posts: 5,035
iTrader: (5)

Garage List
2009 BMW  [5.00]
Send a message via AIM to MrHarris
Tech package rocks!
__________________

2009 E92 M3 | Alpine White | Black Extended | Advan RS | Turner Test Pipes | Dinan Axle-Back | OETuning | Eibach Springs | UUC SSK | VRS Front Lip | VRS Type I Diffuser | Matte Black | RPi Scoops | MS Filter | Yokohama AD08 | F1 Pinnacle
Special Thanks: Gintani | OETuning | eAs
MrHarris is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      04-30-2009, 05:29 PM   #7
Nawaaz
Brigadier General
 
Drives: .
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: .

Posts: 4,643
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by paulywally View Post
Just got back from dealer, and this is what they offer:

09 sedan 6MT
Silverstone II/Silver Novillo Leather/Brushed Aluminium Trim
Premium Package
Moonroof
Satellite Radio
HD Radio
IPod/USB
Dest. charge
Gas Guzzler
MSRP = 61,570
Invoice = 57,080
Drive out = $60,000

I am in Texas, so T+L is $185, and tax is 6.25% ($3579). So basically the offer is around $800 off invoice...

Personally I think it is a great deal, but what do you think? I don't want to over-analyze the deal, but here are some of my concerns:

- car has 70 miles on it, which basically due to lack of demo M3. I am not thrilled about it, since I personally know how hard each of us pushed during test drive!
- lack of Tech package. I read on other thread that it is a must. Would I be regretting it down the road, and lower resale?

Originally I was going to work on ordering with exact spec, but I don't think I would get anything close to this offer...

thoughts?
I'm pretty sure I know of that exact same car you are talking about. I live in the DFW area. This car is at Moritz BMW in Arlington, right? I personally don't like the moonroof, the silver Novillo leather, and the standard 18 inch wheels on it. Honestly though, $60K "drive-out" is not too bad....But I would reconsider the options this particular '09 M3 Sedan has and doesn't have. Just my honest opinion. I'm also seriously in the market for a '09 M3 Sedan. I tried searching for the absolute best deals also....Especially on the '08 M3's that are still on some of the lots......But I'd rather be completely happy with all my options that will be on my new M3. Good luck on your decision!

-Nawaaz
Nawaaz is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      04-30-2009, 07:33 PM   #8
M3PGH
Lieutenant
 
Drives: M5
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Pittsburgh,PA

Posts: 480
iTrader: (0)

Thats a pretty good deal but you also have to consider it was beat the hell out of by random people and with out the idrive you are going to have a hard time selling it in the future. If i were you i would stay away from this car.
M3PGH is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      05-01-2009, 12:06 AM   #9
paulywally
New Member
 
Drives: 09 E90 M3
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: DFW

Posts: 15
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nawaaz View Post
I'm pretty sure I know of that exact same car you are talking about. I live in the DFW area. This car is at Moritz BMW in Arlington, right? I personally don't like the moonroof, the silver Novillo leather, and the standard 18 inch wheels on it. Honestly though, $60K "drive-out" is not too bad....But I would reconsider the options this particular '09 M3 Sedan has and doesn't have. Just my honest opinion. I'm also seriously in the market for a '09 M3 Sedan. I tried searching for the absolute best deals also....Especially on the '08 M3's that are still on some of the lots......But I'd rather be completely happy with all my options that will be on my new M3. Good luck on your decision!

-Nawaaz
It is the car at Moritz...

Have you had any luck with other existing E90's around here? or are you just going to order to the exact spec you want? What options are you looking to get?
paulywally is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      05-01-2009, 09:19 AM   #10
MojorisinM3
Major
 
MojorisinM3's Avatar
 
Drives: 2011 M3
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Nashville, TN

Posts: 1,058
iTrader: (0)

Tech Pack is a must

nav
edc
comfort
m drive
plus the single hump looks a little "cheapie" to me

its a "bargain" at $3k
__________________
2011 E92 M3 Comp / MPE / DCT
MojorisinM3 is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      05-01-2009, 10:35 AM   #11
Big Windy
Major General
 
Big Windy's Avatar
 
Drives: audi s4
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: seatac, wa

Posts: 5,118
iTrader: (0)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by MojorisinM3 View Post
Tech Pack is a must

nav
edc
comfort
m drive
plus the single hump looks a little "cheapie" to me

its a "bargain" at $3k
i agree that tech pack is a must, but only for M drive. Single hump looks great to me, and I am not a big navi fan. it is too bad that you have to have Nav in order to have Mdrive.
__________________
Big Windy is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      05-01-2009, 03:00 PM   #12
Nawaaz
Brigadier General
 
Drives: .
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: .

Posts: 4,643
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by paulywally View Post
It is the car at Moritz...

Have you had any luck with other existing E90's around here? or are you just going to order to the exact spec you want? What options are you looking to get?
PM'd you my friend....

Last edited by Nawaaz; 05-01-2009 at 03:17 PM.
Nawaaz is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      05-01-2009, 03:28 PM   #13
Mr.Metak2you
Brigadier General
 
Mr.Metak2you's Avatar
 
Drives: LEXUS LS(DailyDriver)
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Astral Projecting: ∞ 23.516 -122 02.625 0242.101 ĕv'rē-hwr'

Posts: 4,736
iTrader: (15)

Garage List
You better double check the invoice. This includes Dest. + Gas Guzzler

Here is what KBB say invoice should be:
Name:  inv09.JPG
Views: 300
Size:  27.3 KB

I wouldn't pay more than invoice, maybe $200 over if I really liked the car(equiptment, color etc.)
__________________
Mr.Metak2you is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      05-01-2009, 10:59 PM   #14
paulywally
New Member
 
Drives: 09 E90 M3
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: DFW

Posts: 15
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by ///Metak View Post
You better double check the invoice. This includes Dest. + Gas Guzzler

Here is what KBB say invoice should be:
Attachment 264438

I wouldn't pay more than invoice, maybe $200 over if I really liked the car(equiptment, color etc.)
The numbers are the same...KBB has included Dest. Charge and Guzzler tax, mine had not...

$200 over invoice? where would I find this kind of deal?
paulywally is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      05-04-2009, 10:54 AM   #15
Mr.Metak2you
Brigadier General
 
Mr.Metak2you's Avatar
 
Drives: LEXUS LS(DailyDriver)
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Astral Projecting: ∞ 23.516 -122 02.625 0242.101 ĕv'rē-hwr'

Posts: 4,736
iTrader: (15)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by paulywally View Post
The numbers are the same...KBB has included Dest. Charge and Guzzler tax, mine had not...
$200 over invoice? where would I find this kind of deal?
I can't help you, in your original post you said it did include Dest. and Gas Tax and now you say it doesn't? I was just comparing MSRP to MSRP $61,570...apples to apples your invoice $$ is off.
Quote:
Originally Posted by paulywally View Post
Just got back from dealer, and this is what they offer:

09 sedan 6MT
Silverstone II/Silver Novillo Leather/Brushed Aluminium Trim
Premium Package
Moonroof
Satellite Radio
HD Radio
IPod/USB
Dest. charge
Gas Guzzler

MSRP = 61,570
Invoice = 57,080
Drive out = $60,000
__________________
Mr.Metak2you is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      05-04-2009, 11:09 AM   #16
Nawaaz
Brigadier General
 
Drives: .
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: .

Posts: 4,643
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by paulywally View Post
The numbers are the same...KBB has included Dest. Charge and Guzzler tax, mine had not...

$200 over invoice? where would I find this kind of deal?
Honestly, I would try negotiating a little bit more....Say around $58K-$59K out the door. But most importantly, buy the car if you will be 110% happy with it, not only because you're getting an excellent price.
Nawaaz is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      05-04-2009, 12:43 PM   #17
M3-DCT
Private
 
Drives: Toyota Corolla
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: USA

Posts: 70
iTrader: (0)

Please get the facts straight ... :)

OP .. here is the invoice price for the listed options .. $crew edmunds (use the confidential invoice posted on bimmerfest instead) ...

50,140
STD Transmission: N/C
Metallic:500
ZPP:1820
Moonroof:955
SAT:540
HD:315
Ipod:365
----------
INVOICE: 54635
GGT: 1300
DEST: 825
----------
TOTAL: 56760
TAX: 3547.5 (do they tax GGT and Dest. I'm not sure on that one)
L: 185
----------
60,492.5

If you are getting it for 60K .. it's about 492.5 off invoice. Good deal .. does it have all you want? .. if not .. no! To me it's NOT a good COMPROMISE PRICE as you can get ordered cars (to your specification) for about $500 over invoice. That means for a total of $1000 more .. you can get all you want. If you're planning to keep the car for a long time .. that $1000 amortized over the ownership period is virtually nothing!

You buy a premium sedan to enjoy it ... not to save a few pennies. Now, if I were to get it for 5K off .. then it would get interesting. I would agree with the post above .. look to get it out the door for at least a few thousand less than the agreed price.
M3-DCT is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      05-04-2009, 02:47 PM   #18
Mr.Metak2you
Brigadier General
 
Mr.Metak2you's Avatar
 
Drives: LEXUS LS(DailyDriver)
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Astral Projecting: ∞ 23.516 -122 02.625 0242.101 ĕv'rē-hwr'

Posts: 4,736
iTrader: (15)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by M3-DCT View Post
OP .. here is the invoice price for the listed options .. $crew edmunds (use the confidential invoice posted on bimmerfest instead) ...

50,140
STD Transmission: N/C
Metallic:500
ZPP:1820
Moonroof:955
SAT:540
HD:315
Ipod:365
----------
INVOICE: 54635
GGT: 1300
DEST: 825
----------
TOTAL: 56,760
TAX: 3547.5 (do they tax GGT and Dest. I'm not sure on that one)
L: 185
----------
60,492.5
.....
$crew whatever you like but your secret confidential invoice price is the same as KBB and edmunds. $56,760-$56,765 -see my above post^
__________________
Mr.Metak2you is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      05-04-2009, 03:36 PM   #19
M3-DCT
Private
 
Drives: Toyota Corolla
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: USA

Posts: 70
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by ///Metak View Post
$crew whatever you like but your secret confidential invoice price is the same as KBB and edmunds. $56,760-$56,765 -see my above post^
Dude .. what exactly is your problem? I wasn't even responding to you .. I was responding to OP's invoice quote of $57080 .. and that wasn't even the POINT of my post (it was get an approx. difference between ordering one to your spec. and picking one off the lot). I don't have time to read every freakin' post on the thread .. so sue me if it's a repeat .. . BTW .. the pricing is CALLED 'confidential wholesale invoice pricing" .. that's the TITLE. It's no secret .. I don't have it my back pocket .... it's posted in bimmerfest.

Geez .. keep to subject.
M3-DCT is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      05-04-2009, 04:42 PM   #20
Mr.Metak2you
Brigadier General
 
Mr.Metak2you's Avatar
 
Drives: LEXUS LS(DailyDriver)
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Astral Projecting: ∞ 23.516 -122 02.625 0242.101 ĕv'rē-hwr'

Posts: 4,736
iTrader: (15)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by M3-DCT View Post
Dude .. what exactly is your problem? I wasn't even responding to you .. I was responding to OP's invoice quote of $57080 .. and that wasn't even the POINT of my post (it was get an approx. difference between ordering one to your spec. and picking one off the lot). I don't have time to read every freakin' post on the thread .. so sue me if it's a repeat .. . BTW .. the pricing is CALLED 'confidential wholesale invoice pricing" .. that's the TITLE. It's no secret .. I don't have it my back pocket .... it's posted in bimmerfest.

Geez .. keep to subject.
No problem here. I was merely pointing out that the 'confidential' invoice price was the same as KBB and Edmunds. I can see why you are so defensive, 'cause you made a stupid "$crew edmunds" statement that was incorrect, because YOU don't have time to read others posts. You just enough time to pop in, barf your 2cents and then go on the offensive with someone who wasn't even attacking you. Everyones time here is just as valueable as yours!
__________________
Mr.Metak2you is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      05-04-2009, 05:53 PM   #21
M3-DCT
Private
 
Drives: Toyota Corolla
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: USA

Posts: 70
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by ///Metak View Post
No problem here. I was merely pointing out that the 'confidential' invoice price was the same as KBB and Edmunds. I can see why you are so defensive, 'cause you made a stupid "$crew edmunds" statement that was incorrect, because YOU don't have time to read others posts. You just enough time to pop in, barf your 2cents and then go on the offensive with someone who wasn't even attacking you. Everyones time here is just as valueable as yours!
Well .. when you start with "$crew whatever you like .. " .. it did sound like you had a problem .. hence my being defensive .. (not because of an incorrect statement) . Well IMHO .. when it comes to BMW .. yes .. there have been quite a few times Edmunds has had the WRONG info. Bimmerfest never fails .. it comes straight from the horse's mouth. So yes .. I say $crew edmunds when it comes to pricing out these cars .. what are you going to believe .. something that's true most of the time or ALL the time?

How is my statement "incorrect" .. when I said "$crew edmunds" .. it's my opinion .. I didn't say they were wrong .. I just implied I don't trust their numbers!

BTW .. just to split hairs ... Bimmerfest INVOICE: $56760 .. Edmunds: $56765 ..

.. Edmunds numbers are INCORRECT .. ..

Last edited by M3-DCT; 05-04-2009 at 06:08 PM.
M3-DCT is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      05-04-2009, 06:04 PM   #22
Mr.Metak2you
Brigadier General
 
Mr.Metak2you's Avatar
 
Drives: LEXUS LS(DailyDriver)
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Astral Projecting: ∞ 23.516 -122 02.625 0242.101 ĕv'rē-hwr'

Posts: 4,736
iTrader: (15)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by M3-DCT View Post
Well .. when you start with "$crew whatever you like .. " .. it did sound like you had a problem .. hence my being defensive .. (not because of an incorrect statement) . Well IMHO .. when it comes to BMW .. yes .. there have been quite a few times Edmunds has had the WRONG info. Bimmerfest never fails .. it comes straight from the horse's mouth. So yes .. I say $crew edmunds when it comes to pricing out these cars .. what are you going to believe .. something that's true most of the time or ALL the time?

How is my statement "incorrect" .. when I said "$crew edmunds" .. it's my opinion .. I didn't say they were wrong .. I just implied I don't trust their numbers!
My whole point was the invoice numbers, I posted and then you posted, in this case were the SAME. We are all supposed come to this forum to learn more about our cars and to help each other out if we can. I was trying to be helpful in pointing out the invoice discrepency, that's all. And if my colourful/creative $crew comment offends you it shouldn't, it came straight from your post FIRST.
__________________
Mr.Metak2you is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
Post Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:29 PM.




m3post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST