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      07-24-2006, 09:42 PM   #23
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The Jews Run hollywood and the movie industry. I heard a statistic that is being acompanied by a documentry that not one jewish person died in the WTC disaster. Leave it to hollywood scum bags to cash in. I hate this shit.
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The Jews Run hollywood and the movie industry. I heard a statistic that is being acompanied by a documentry that not one jewish person died in the WTC disaster. Leave it to hollywood scum bags to cash in. I hate this shit.
uhm, you can blame hollywood but don't stereotype please. that's just like saying rap music causes kids to be violent, so we should blame black people since they make up a large majority of rap music.
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yea man....we dont need replies like that
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      07-24-2006, 10:34 PM   #26
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So if i cant call the people cashing in on a national disaster scum bags, what can i call them? Sorry for my comment, mabey it was in poor taste. I just think that this new movie is in even poorer taste.
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The Jews Run hollywood and the movie industry. I heard a statistic that is being acompanied by a documentry that not one jewish person died in the WTC disaster. Leave it to hollywood scum bags to cash in. I hate this shit.
I wasn't aware there was a "jew" roll call before the disaster.
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see, i have nothing against a movie about WTC being made even a year after it happened and i do agree this story needs to be told. what i hate is that in a movie like this the main story is not about what happened but about emotional undergoing of a few characters where connection with real people goes as far as their names and jobs.
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I am a huge fan of Oliver Stone, so maybe the wtc movie won't be that bad.
he's good (in most cases) but with this WTC movie it almost seems like the same scenario when P. T. Anderson did Punch-Drunk Love which, i think, was a fatal mistake for him and i'm pretty sure he knows it too.
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I understand what you're trying to say, but I what I meant by "modern terrorism" was "modern radical islamic terrorism"--suicide bomings, car/bus/building bombings, against the US and our interests ect. That's what I want to go away, and I hope it will some day.

I think what you and squawks are saying is there will always be broad forms of terrorism, which is true, and a lot of "bad acts" can be considered terrorism.

But don't mind me, because I'm really confused about the world today anyway. I was always pretty good with history and remembering dates, etc., but that's not saying too much because I don't even understand current events anymore...how will I be able to explain what's going on now to anyone years from now?

I can see all the news reports and listen to all the speeches and watch all the documentaries, and yet I still don't understand all the fighting.

When someone attacked the US, like on 911, I didn't know who they were or why they did it. I didn't know what they're trying to achieve, and 5 years later, I still don't.

People have offered many explanations and I've listened, but I think like many people, I still don't really understand.
The attacks on the WTC, the Pentagon and the Capitol Building (object of Flight 93 I believe) were Al-Qaeda initiated, and part of Jihad against the "Judeo-Christian World". This was fairly clear from Osama himself. At the least, the desire of these extremists is to eliminate Israel and incapacitate all of its allies/supporters. I agree that terrorism has been around for a long time. Part of what makes people argue about this point has to do with the definition of terrorism. Personally, when I mean terrorism, I am referring to attacks purposely directed against civilians, delivered in such a way as to strike fear into the hearts of the general population. That doesn't mean that non-terrorist (by the preceding definition) acts are justified or appropriate, but that they simply are not terroristic in nature.

In a similar fashion, not all activites by traditionally terrorist groups are "terrorist". For example, I consider the attack on the USS Cole to be a military activity, not terrorism, as it was against a military target. Had the attack on the Pentagon not involved a commercial airliner, I would consider this a military activity (albeit act of war), not terrorism per se. What upsets me the most is when the attacks are targeting civilians only. I consider this cowardice, and I do differentiate between civilians injured in collateral damage from those injured as primary targets. By this definition, I do not consider internment of Japanese Americans, reprehensible as it was to be terrorism. Firebombing Dresden and Tokyo during WWII might be more likely to be considered terrorism, though I do not know enough about the targets to be able to comment.

It's not all about being upset as Caucasians (I am not a Caucasian, BTW) or even conservatives. Terrorism which disgusts me includes bombings in bus stations in Northern Ireland, the Oklahoma City bombing, and even actions as far back as actions taken against civilians in China during the Boxer Rebellion.

Sadly, I think the question is not "why" we have violence or terrorism, but how have we gone so long without being major targets. As long as we support Israel's position, we will be Al Qaeda targets, for example, but that's not the only thing that we do that pisses off extremists (it doesn't take much, though).
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by Oxford dictionary:

terrorism
the use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.

by US Department of Defense:

terrorism
unlawful use of -- or threatened use of -- force or violence against individuals or property to coerce or intimidate governments or societies, often to achieve political, religious, or ideological objectives.

i agree with both definitions.
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The attacks on the WTC, the Pentagon and the Capitol Building (object of Flight 93 I believe) were Al-Qaeda initiated, and part of Jihad against the "Judeo-Christian World". This was fairly clear from Osama himself. At the least, the desire of these extremists is to eliminate Israel and incapacitate all of its allies/supporters. I agree that terrorism has been around for a long time. Part of what makes people argue about this point has to do with the definition of terrorism. Personally, when I mean terrorism, I am referring to attacks purposely directed against civilians, delivered in such a way as to strike fear into the hearts of the general population. That doesn't mean that non-terrorist (by the preceding definition) acts are justified or appropriate, but that they simply are not terroristic in nature.

In a similar fashion, not all activites by traditionally terrorist groups are "terrorist". For example, I consider the attack on the USS Cole to be a military activity, not terrorism, as it was against a military target. Had the attack on the Pentagon not involved a commercial airliner, I would consider this a military activity (albeit act of war), not terrorism per se. What upsets me the most is when the attacks are targeting civilians only. I consider this cowardice, and I do differentiate between civilians injured in collateral damage from those injured as primary targets. By this definition, I do not consider internment of Japanese Americans, reprehensible as it was to be terrorism. Firebombing Dresden and Tokyo during WWII might be more likely to be considered terrorism, though I do not know enough about the targets to be able to comment.

It's not all about being upset as Caucasians (I am not a Caucasian, BTW) or even conservatives. Terrorism which disgusts me includes bombings in bus stations in Northern Ireland, the Oklahoma City bombing, and even actions as far back as actions taken against civilians in China during the Boxer Rebellion.

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I agree with you 100%. Well said
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I saw the preview for it on TV and it looks pretty interesting. I think I will go see this movie.
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I didn't see the flight movie, and I'm skipping this one.
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There's always the need for more War propaganda.
I just saw the United movie, and it sure does help make me hate those Muslim terrorists.

Shame on Oliver Stone.
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