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      08-06-2009, 01:19 PM   #1
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**********s | Presents A ForgeStar Sneak Peek

Hello Ladies and Gentlemen

Just thought you guys might enjoy a sneak peek at what's to come from ForgeStar in the coming months, enough talking, time for the eye candy!

This is the new ForgeStar CF Centercap

[IMG]http://www.**********s.com/images/Products/Forgestar%20Wheels/ForgeStar%20CF%20Center%20Cap1.jpg[/IMG]

This is the new Karbon Fiber Finish option for all variations of the F14

[IMG]http://www.**********s.com/images/Products/Forgestar%20Wheels/Karbon%20Fiber%20Finish1.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://www.**********s.com/images/Products/Forgestar%20Wheels/Karbon%20Fiber%20Finish2.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://www.**********s.com/images/Products/Forgestar%20Wheels/Karbon%20Fiber%20Finish3.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://www.**********s.com/images/Products/Forgestar%20Wheels/Karbon%20Fiber%20Finish4.jpg[/IMG]

This is the new ForgeStar F10 wheel for the 20" Line

[IMG]http://www.**********s.com/images/Products/Forgestar%20Wheels/F10%20Hyper%20Silver%20Center%20Detail1.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://www.**********s.com/images/Products/Forgestar%20Wheels/F10%20Hyper%20Silver%20Spoke%20Detail1.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://www.**********s.com/images/Products/Forgestar%20Wheels/F10%20Hyper%20Silver%20Step%20Lip%20Detail1.jpg[/IMG]
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The new centercap looks better...

It's definitely an improvement over the standard cap, which is way too busy and complex.

A good wheel centercap is sweet and simple.

Cheesy carbon fiber wrap job on the actual wheel FTL:
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pricing for the cf f14 in 20?
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Pricing for the CF in 19" pls.

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Regarding Karbon fiber finish, is it:
-a vinyl wrapping,
-CF overlay, or
-real CF spokes?
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Regarding Karbon fiber finish, is it:
-a vinyl wrapping,
-CF overlay, or
-real CF spokes?
+1

I assumed it was CF overlay but by looking at the pictures in more detail, it looks like a painted pattern...Dunno
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Regarding Karbon fiber finish, is it:
-a vinyl wrapping,
-CF overlay, or
-real CF spokes?
Answer in bold text above.

By the way, the technology necessary to build a true dry carbon fiber wheel center spoke section does not yet exist. Dymag wheel company has been testing this for several years now, and it's just not possible given the current limitations of CF composites. Barrels yes, center spokes...NO.

To properly build a true 100% dry carbon fiber center wheel spoke, would require some new breakthroughs in the field of composites. Carbon fiber center spokes cannot withstand the lateral stress loads it would see on an actual car. The technology may improve one day to allow this, but it's not going to be anytime soon.

WEDS Sport (Japan) built a prototype dry carbon fiber wheel for some auto show last year. (just to showcase their cutting edge engineering and manufacturing capabilities)

After contacting them about this dry carbon fiber wheel, WEDS has no plans to market such a product. (for the lateral stress load problem I mentioned)

If anyone does successfully build such a wheel in the future, look for entry level pricing well above $10k per set.
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pricing for the cf f14 in 20?
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Pricing for the CF in 19" pls.

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The new centercap looks better...

It's definitely an improvement over the standard cap, which is way too busy and complex.

A good wheel centercap is sweet and simple.

Cheesy carbon fiber wrap job on the actual wheel FTL:
It's all good IMHO, just personal taste is all

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Regarding Karbon fiber finish, is it:
-a vinyl wrapping,
-CF overlay, or
-real CF spokes?
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+1

I assumed it was CF overlay but by looking at the pictures in more detail, it looks like a painted pattern...Dunno
The process is a film / paint designed to give the illusion of carbon fiber. Don't think that they are cheap for doing this, this was mainly done to showcase what finish capabilities they have, and a fine showcase it is
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The new centercap looks better...

It's definitely an improvement over the standard cap, which is way too busy and complex.

I agree, the old center cap looks better suited on Lancelots shield.
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My dealer informs me that if someone buys 4 wheels from you but needs a fifth, you will not sell them separately. Is this true?
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Can the stock BMW centercap be adopted for use on these wheels? Do you offer BMW centercaps?

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[IMG]http://www.**********s.com/images/Products/Forgestar%20Wheels/new%20pics/bmwcap3.jpg[/IMG]

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Answer in bold text above.

By the way, the technology necessary to build a true dry carbon fiber wheel center spoke section does not yet exist. Dymag wheel company has been testing this for several years now, and it's just not possible given the current limitations of CF composites. Barrels yes, center spokes...NO.

To properly build a true 100% dry carbon fiber center wheel spoke, would require some new breakthroughs in the field of composites. Carbon fiber center spokes cannot withstand the lateral stress loads it would see on an actual car. The technology may improve one day to allow this, but it's not going to be anytime soon.

WEDS Sport (Japan) built a prototype dry carbon fiber wheel for some auto show last year. (just to showcase their cutting edge engineering and manufacturing capabilities)

After contacting them about this dry carbon fiber wheel, WEDS has no plans to market such a product. (for the lateral stress load problem I mentioned)

If anyone does successfully build such a wheel in the future, look for entry level pricing well above $10k per set.
I've had CF spoke mountain bike wheels for 12 years (the old Spynergy Rev X), and those see some pretty good lateral stresses.
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Cheesy carbon fiber wrap job on the actual wheel FTL:
Well done cheesy, but still CHEESY (i.e., inauthentic).
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I've had CF spoke mountain bike wheels for 12 years (the old Spynnergys), and those see some pretty good lateral stresses.
Come on now Greg...

You don't weigh anywhere near 3700 lbs. (hopefully!)

I'm sure your mountain bike can handle the LOAD RATING it was designed for with relative ease.

As mentioned earlier, Dymag has been working on this carbon fiber technology for almost 30 years now. They have pioneered the use of dry carbon fiber wheels for motorcycles. Dymag is also the first company to make a DOT street legal wheel for automobiles that uses some carbon fiber components. (outer barrels only)

There are a few dry carbon fiber motorcycle wheels on the market now, that can handle 600 lb. loads.

Unfortunately, the technology is not advanced enough to put these on full size cars with any hopes of survival. (safety issue)

After speaking with their chief R&D guy last year, no one wants to see this happen more than Dymag. They have poured more money into this technology than anyone else. (by a considerable margin)

Smart money is on Dymag to finally figure out how to build a viable "road worthy" wheel out 100% dry carbon fiber material.
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Come on now Greg...

You don't weigh anywhere near 3700 lbs. (hopefully!)

I'm sure your mountain bike can handle the LOAD RATING it was designed for with relative ease.

As mentioned earlier, Dymag has been working on this carbon fiber technology for almost 30 years now. They have pioneered the use of dry carbon fiber wheels for motorcycles. Dymag is also the first company to make a DOT street legal wheel for automobiles that uses some carbon fiber components. (outer barrels only)

There are a few dry carbon fiber motorcycle wheels on the market now, that can handle 600 lb. loads.


Unfortunately, the technology is not advanced enough to put these on full size cars with any hopes of survival. (safety issue)

After speaking with their chief R&D guy last year, no one wants to see this happen more than Dymag. They have poured more money into this technology than anyone else. (by a considerable margin)

Smart money is on Dymag to finally figure out how to build a viable "road worthy" wheel out 100% dry carbon fiber material.
I was being somewhat sarcastic; thanks for your insight.
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Well done cheesy, but still CHEESY (i.e., inauthentic).
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No, the stock caps will not fit unfortunately. ForgeStar does off their own BMW cap.
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