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      04-04-2009, 08:40 PM   #1
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Question M3 vs. X5/6 M

Those things were finally revealed and they are beasts with a 555hp V8 biturbo engine w/50 lb-ft of torque.

I test-drove a 3.0si X6 with all the suspension goodies and believe me that thing handled like a 3-series.

The new M models I fear, will outdrag the M3 easily. Maybe up top their aerodynamics will hurt them but from a drag...

Considering that the 4.4i X6 lapped the ring a couple of seconds behind an E46 M3, I belive these beasts will give the M3 a run for its money in every situation.
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      04-04-2009, 09:16 PM   #2
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...on a straight, I would not be surprised if these blown up trucks would be in the front. On a track, I want to see this first. If that happens, then I think that the M3 is done as is. CSL version a must... or another brand! Did anybody drop the P word?!?!?

On my side it does not matter yet, as I am the weak link... not the car (yet)!
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i dont think bmw would make a truck faster around the track than their "purest iteration of the ultimate sports car." that would just be bad for business and flat out stupid. it would be like porsche making a cayenne that lapped faster than a gt2.

i am quite sure that these new trucks will be able to hold their own against the m3 in drag...but thats not really what the m3 is about. however, it is odd.
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i have no interest in the x6 or x5 m. just a challenge for our m3s on the road
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Those things were finally revealed and they are beasts with a 555hp V8 biturbo engine w/50 lb-ft of torque.

I test-drove a 3.0si X6 with all the suspension goodies and believe me that thing handled like a 3-series.

The new M models I fear, will outdrag the M3 easily. Maybe up top their aerodynamics will hurt them but from a drag...

Considering that the 4.4i X6 lapped the ring a couple of seconds behind an E46 M3, I belive these beasts will give the M3 a run for its money in every situation.
You have driven the X6 and felt it handles like a 3 series. Sorry mate because you definitely didn't throw it down any road like I happen to drive along because if you did then you would know that it's bouncy and is easily deflected from it's desired path by mid-corner bumps.

I will agree that in a drag race the X6M will probably have the match for the M3 but like I already said about the M6, with the X6M you will need a very high level of skill and balls to try and follow an M3 down a back road that is moderately well driven.

Another thing to remember, the X6 and X5 are already pretty awful at going off-road which is unlike the Cayenne and looking at the recent data of the X5/6M they will be even worse. So while they may well be quicker than a Cayenne Turbo S they are not keeping to the spirit of what a off-road vehicle is, and that's where the two totally differ. I have no doubt that had Porsche decided to make the Cayenne a Chelsea tractor then it would have totally destroyed the competition, both current and future.
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      04-05-2009, 04:34 AM   #6
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I have an x5 v8 with sport pack 20" wheels with 315 backs and 275 fronts (similar tire package as the X5 M X6 M)- and a 335i with sports. I can tell you that the x5 handles awesome with the Active-Roll Stabilization.. the car simply does NOT have any body roll at all. Amazing.

I love those 360 degree freeway on ramps or off ramps, I have consistently out handled anyone who dares try to keep up. The car/tires stick like glue. That being said, the handling archilles heel for the X5 is quck successive transitions... or the slalom. There is simply no way to avoid the law of physics with the heavy weight of these "trucks". A tight enough s curve and the x5 will start to understeer heavily, DTC will eventually kick in and cut power. I've even experienced this on U turn situations- going too fast.

I can't imagine with the M Version the x5 or x6 can lessen that problem very much. The car is simply too heavy and the center of gravity is too high- even with the car lowered.

I've never driven an e90 m3 so I can only compare it to my 335i... The 335i is much more fun when the turns get tight.

I would imagine-depending on the track, the tighter the curves, the more the x5/6m will fall behind to the m3. It is simply not able to handle surgical handling situations. In the Ring, because of the length and balance of turns/straights/ etc of the run, it wouldn't surprise me that the X5/6/M can keep up with the M3.

In a straight line, it'll be tough to beat the x5/6m simply due to the awd launch, the torque, and the hp... but drag it out to the 1/4 mile and beyond then you have the awd drag to factor in... it'll be close, but the M3 still wins-- imho.

My x5 is gutless when it tries to pass 90/100 mph, but the 335i stays strong all the way to 140mph (which is as fast as i have taken it), that's with my butt dyno.
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      04-05-2009, 04:57 AM   #7
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I can't wait for magazines to test these two SUV beasts. I wonder if these will be faster than the Cayenne Turbo S.
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Porsche Cayenne Turbo S 0-200km/h - 16.5 secs (assume X Ms to be around this figure)
E92 M3 DCT 0-200km/h - 14.9 secs
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      04-06-2009, 11:16 AM   #9
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Too much weight difference. I haven't seen official weights of the M X5/6, but:

X5: 5335 lbs.
X6: 5269 lbs.
e93 M3: 4145 lbs.

Not even close.
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      04-06-2009, 02:46 PM   #10
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What will be the price tag on those puppies? Looks like 100 grand plus already.
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i read that the X6M matches the M3 time around the ring

http://www.automobilemag.com/new_and...6_m/index.html
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i read that the X6M matches the M3 time around the ring

http://www.automobilemag.com/new_and...6_m/index.html
And thats fine. That means the next M5 and the next M3 will be that much quicker. Holla.
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Too much weight difference. I haven't seen official weights of the M X5/6, but:

X5: 5335 lbs.
X6: 5269 lbs.
e93 M3: 4145 lbs.

Not even close.
Strange, I thought the X5 is going to be the lighter car.
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I need that AA supercharger asap.
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Porsche Cayenne Turbo S 0-200km/h - 16.5 secs (assume X Ms to be around this figure)
E92 M3 DCT 0-200km/h - 14.9 secs
I haven't seen a test where the M3 DCT did this sprint in only 14.9s, best I have seen for any M3 is the ones listed here at 15.2s, which I might add is 0.5s quicker than the time Autobid got from a 6MT M3.

Though when you average out the M3's times you will see than it nearer 15.8s which I reckon is a time you will see the big X6M getting very close to.
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I am following these M "Trucks" with great interest as I am pretty sure that there will be an X5 in our future,but if I was rational it would be the 3.0l diesel.But we all know that I am not so,the more power the better
I drove an X5 4.8 for a while yesterday and there is no way that these vehicles will ever be mistaken for a sports sedan.Yes they may go fast and handle reasonably well but do not ask for fast directional transitions as the sheer mass will inhibit that.Do I still want one,Of Course!But I will try not to think that it is a true performance vehicle and enjoy it for what it is.
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I am following these M "Trucks" with great interest as I am pretty sure that there will be an X5 in our future,but if I was rational it would be the 3.0l diesel.But we all know that I am not so,the more power the better
I drove an X5 4.8 for a while yesterday and there is no way that these vehicles will ever be mistaken for a sports sedan.Yes they may go fast and handle reasonably well but do not ask for fast directional transitions as the sheer mass will inhibit that.Do I still want one,Of Course!But I will try not to think that it is a true performance vehicle and enjoy it for what it is.
When driving the X trucks handling is very dependant on the choice of options. I have driven an X5 with the base suspension and it feels totally different than an X6 (3.0i) I drove with all the goodies (active anti-roll bars, self leveling suspension & DPC differential).

I know you guys don't believe me but that thing feels as good as a 330i on a mountain road IMHO.
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Can someone 'splain to me why one would choose an X6 M over an E61 M5? Can you even seat five adults in an X6?
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When driving the X trucks handling is very dependant on the choice of options. I have driven an X5 with the base suspension and it feels totally different than an X6 (3.0i) I drove with all the goodies (active anti-roll bars, self leveling suspension & DPC differential).

I know you guys don't believe me but that thing feels as good as a 330i on a mountain road IMHO.
It was a sports package with the 20's.It was a great feeling truck but still truckish in feel especially in transitions.In steady state yes it is pretty good.One of our salesman drives a 2005 Cayenne Turbo and it did not really handle that different except the Cayenne has a rougher ride.Good truck but in no way can you compare that to a proper performance sedan.
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It was a sports package with the 20's.It was a great feeling truck but still truckish in feel especially in transitions.In steady state yes it is pretty good.One of our salesman drives a 2005 Cayenne Turbo and it did not really handle that different except the Cayenne has a rougher ride.Good truck but in no way can you compare that to a proper performance sedan.
I drove a Cayenne Turbo too at the local Porsche Driving School. The X6 I drove is in a different league handling-wise (much much better). Really.
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I drove a Cayenne Turbo too at the local Porsche Driving School. The X6 I drove is in a different league handling-wise (much much better). Really.
I have not driven an X6 and i would not consider one either as it is a little small for our needs.
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I drove a Cayenne Turbo too at the local Porsche Driving School. The X6 I drove is in a different league handling-wise (much much better). Really.
Both myself and brother has owned Cayenne S models and my brother currently owns an X6 35d, I have driven it extensively and both of us are of the same opinion that is that the Porsche has better steering, better brakes and ride quality. It also isn't as easy to be upset by bumps. May the X6 does out corner the Cayenne on the track but on real roads it isn't the better car.

Now this doesn't mean the X6 is bad, far from it because the price difference is huge between the two and apart from the Cayenne the X6 is the best SUV out here. But it ain't a better drive than the Cayenne, at least in mine and my brother's opinions.

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