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luckistryke · 03-24-2009, 06:37 PM

V10 R8 > all M-car????

4 wheels drift baby...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTZ0PA9KlT4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XCyPLIg1Is&NR=1
can this new V10 take on and beat the mighty Four Horsemen of the World(GT2, F430 Scud, GTR Spec V, and ZR1)?

Driver72 · 03-24-2009, 07:44 PM

Sweet, but the guys should be shot for taking it into the mud on the side of the road. There wasn't a paved piece of road they could of stopped at to do the commentary and go over the car??
Guess they think it's a 4WD SUV rather than an AWD supercar.

As for > than all M-cars? Well at it's price it should be.

niqui · 03-24-2009, 07:46 PM

greater than all m cars, yes and quite easily.
however, i dont think it compares to the gt2 or f430, package for package.

kmac1980 · 03-25-2009, 06:10 PM

I think it fits in between (quite nicely I might add) M-cars and an F430, performance and price wise....

In canada M-cars range from $70-115K (depending on model/options)

Audi R8 $140-$180K (depending on V8 vs V10 and options)

Ferrari F430 $230K-$300K+ (depending on syder or not and options)

JuniorDee · 03-26-2009, 11:25 AM

i am considering ordering the r8 v10. isnt the price point around $150k?

graider · 03-26-2009, 01:44 PM

I don't think it can beat any of the car you listed performance wise (GT2, F430 Scud, GTR Spec V, and ZR1)

inmotion · 03-26-2009, 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luckistryke

V10 R8 > all M-car????

4 wheels drift baby...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTZ0PA9KlT4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XCyPLIg1Is&NR=1
can this new V10 take on and beat the mighty Four Horsemen of the World(GT2, F430 Scud, GTR Spec V, and ZR1)?

The fit and finish would likely trump the cars listed. Performance wise it will likely be a tick under the vehicles listed.

JetBlack5OC · 03-27-2009, 01:50 AM

That R8 V10 sounds AMAZING!!!!!!! Honestly there isn't a BMW I would rather have over a R8 V8. So this thing is top shelf. Plus like someone said above, Audi current fit and finish is just superb.

MrHarris · 03-27-2009, 05:25 AM

R8 (v8 or v10) > all BMW's.

luckistryke · 03-27-2009, 09:23 PM

aaaw man. i can wait for the next magazine xxxxxxx to do the Ultimate shootout. R8 V10 vs. GT2, F430 Scud, GTR Spec V, Gallardo LP560-4, ZR1, Viper ACR, and Ford GT. did i get them all? BMW needs to represent and step up w/ a V10/V12 supercar

yemenmocha · 03-27-2009, 09:58 PM

Come on guys, M3>R8.

mixja · 03-27-2009, 10:45 PM

M3 > R8 but only because the R8 is so expensive for what you get. For the price of an R8, I would expect the R8 V10...

I'll bet the R8 V10 will beat many supercars around the track...

leemik · 03-27-2009, 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrHarris

R8 (v8 or v10) > all BMW's.

werd.. If someone offered me an R8 or any one current model BMW.. I'm all in that R8, no looking back..

GnokGnik · 03-28-2009, 01:49 PM

How is this not stepping on the Lamborghini Gallardo's toes? VW is introducing cars in a segment that they (as well as Porsche) are very comfortable at.

I predict that the V10 R8, like the V8 R8, is going to be a great, manageable super car. Not really competitive with the Scuderia, LP560-4, or even GT2 in performance, but probably much easier to live with.

Robin Hood · 03-28-2009, 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by leemik

werd.. If someone offered me an R8 or any one current model BMW.. I'm all in that R8, no looking back..

That's what Harris is saying...

footie · 03-28-2009, 03:03 PM

I predict that the R8 v10 will probably be one of the best supercars on our time. Every tester who has had the pleasure of comparing it to any of it's rivals marvel at it ability to be totally at ease near or on the limit, and it progression into oversteer is smoother and more predictable than all others.

It may not ultimately be the quickest but is that really that important, surely enjoyment at being able to drive it near the limit without crapping yourself everything is the only thing that should matters.

Nikkahtropolis · 03-29-2009, 03:21 AM

LP560-4 > R8 V10 > F430 Scud > GT2 > R8 4.2 > ZR1 > GTR > All M's

can't compare the R8 or any supercar to M cars. they're all compromises to begin with.

footie · 03-29-2009, 04:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bimmer Loyalist

LP560-4 > R8 V10 > F430 Scud > GT2 > R8 4.2 > ZR1 > GTR > All M's

Not wanting to disagree for the sake of it.

But this opinion all depends on what you are looking from your supercar.

If outright performance is king then it should read ZR1 > LP560 > F430Scud > GT2 > R8 v10 > GTR > R8 v8

If it's the quickest on the track then ZR1 > GTR > F430 Scud > LP560 or R8 v10 or GT2 > R8 v8

But if it's the best balance of all of these plus easy on the limit handling balance with a comfortable ride then R8 v10 > R8 v8 > LP560 > ZR1 > GTR > GT2 > F430 Scud

All of the above are equally right, it's just how you place their respective importance.

And you are correct, any supercar is greater than an M car. But that is not to say that the Ms aren't great cars, just that they are improved versions of some very run of the mill cars to start with.

swamp2 · 03-29-2009, 04:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by footie

Not wanting to disagree for the sake of it.

But this opinion all depends on what you are looking from your supercar.

If outright performance is king then it should read ZR1 > LP560 > F430Scud > GT2 > R8 v10 > GTR > R8 v8

If it's the quickest on the track then ZR1 > GTR > F430 Scud > LP560 or R8 v10 or GT2 > R8 v8

But if it's the best balance of all of these plus easy on the limit handling balance with a comfortable ride then R8 v10 > R8 v8 > LP560 > ZR1 > GTR > GT2 > F430 Scud

All of the above are equally right, it's just how you place their respective importance.

And you are correct, any supercar is greater than an M car. But that is not to say that the Ms aren't great cars, just that they are improved versions of some very run of the mill cars to start with.

Great post, pretty much agree completely. I ama bit baffled by the criteria used to generate the list you replied to. Perhaps it was just a list of personal desirability.

Spent198 · 03-29-2009, 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bimmer Loyalist

LP560-4 > R8 V10 > F430 Scud > GT2 > R8 4.2 > ZR1 > GTR > All M's

can't compare the R8 or any supercar to M cars. they're all compromises to begin with.

Not living up to your username, are you? And would you say your 335i is a compromise? Couldn't we say that any car of lesser perceived "value" is a compromise? I don't want to start some sort of a war, but I have driven both an R8, GTR, and obviously my M3. To be honest, I would never buy the R8 or GT-R. I was wholly unimpressed with the GTR's cheap interior and plastic-ridden exterior. Don't get me wrong, that thing moves! And the R8 V8 - Bleh. It does nothing for me. My cousin has an RS4 (same motor), and I used to tromp on him with my bolt-on EVO 9 MR. For what you pay, it doesn't seem worth it. This R8 V10 is much more appetizing...

-Carl

Spent198 · 03-29-2009, 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by footie

Not wanting to disagree for the sake of it.

But this opinion all depends on what you are looking from your supercar.

If outright performance is king then it should read ZR1 > LP560 > F430Scud > GT2 > R8 v10 > GTR > R8 v8

If it's the quickest on the track then ZR1 > GTR > F430 Scud > LP560 or R8 v10 or GT2 > R8 v8

But if it's the best balance of all of these plus easy on the limit handling balance with a comfortable ride then R8 v10 > R8 v8 > LP560 > ZR1 > GTR > GT2 > F430 Scud

All of the above are equally right, it's just how you place their respective importance.

And you are correct, any supercar is greater than an M car. But that is not to say that the Ms aren't great cars, just that they are improved versions of some very run of the mill cars to start with.

Very well said.

kmac1980 · 03-29-2009, 11:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spent198

Not living up to your username, are you? And would you say your 335i is a compromise? Couldn't we say that any car of lesser perceived "value" is a compromise? I don't want to start some sort of a war, but I have driven both an R8, GTR, and obviously my M3. To be honest, I would never buy the R8 or GT-R. I was wholly unimpressed with the GTR's cheap interior and plastic-ridden exterior. Don't get me wrong, that thing moves! And the R8 V8 - Bleh. It does nothing for me. My cousin has an RS4 (same motor), and I used to tromp on him with my bolt-on EVO 9 MR. For what you pay, it doesn't seem worth it. This R8 V10 is much more appetizing...

-Carl

The R8 is MUCH more than an engine! Making the comparison to an RS4 with the same motor is certainly a pitfall! However, it would be fair to make the comparison between the R8 V10 and Gallardo

03-24-2009, 06:37 PM	#1
luckistryke Second Lieutenant Drives: E36 M3, S2K, Gixxer 6-track Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Pleasanton, SF Bay Area, CA Posts: 202 iTrader: (0)	M cars vs. V10 R8 V10 R8 > all M-car???? 4 wheels drift baby... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTZ0PA9KlT4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XCyPLIg1Is&NR=1 can this new V10 take on and beat the mighty Four Horsemen of the World(GT2, F430 Scud, GTR Spec V, and ZR1)? __________________

03-26-2009, 11:25 AM	#5
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03-26-2009, 01:44 PM	#6
graider Lieutenant Colonel Drives: py/kiwi e46 m3 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: toronto Posts: 1,569 iTrader: (0)	I don't think it can beat any of the car you listed performance wise (GT2, F430 Scud, GTR Spec V, and ZR1) __________________

03-27-2009, 05:25 AM	#9
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03-27-2009, 09:23 PM	#10
luckistryke Second Lieutenant Drives: E36 M3, S2K, Gixxer 6-track Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Pleasanton, SF Bay Area, CA Posts: 202 iTrader: (0)	aaaw man. i can wait for the next magazine xxxxxxx to do the Ultimate shootout. R8 V10 vs. GT2, F430 Scud, GTR Spec V, Gallardo LP560-4, ZR1, Viper ACR, and Ford GT. did i get them all? BMW needs to represent and step up w/ a V10/V12 supercar __________________

03-24-2009, 07:44 PM	#2
Driver72 Brigadier General Drives: 335i - to new owners now. Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: California Posts: 4,486 iTrader: (0)	Sweet, but the guys should be shot for taking it into the mud on the side of the road. There wasn't a paved piece of road they could of stopped at to do the commentary and go over the car?? Guess they think it's a 4WD SUV rather than an AWD supercar. As for > than all M-cars? Well at it's price it should be.

03-24-2009, 07:46 PM	#3
niqui Colonel Drives: Jet Black E92 M3 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Canada Posts: 2,607 iTrader: (4)	greater than all m cars, yes and quite easily. however, i dont think it compares to the gt2 or f430, package for package.

03-25-2009, 06:10 PM	#4
kmac1980 Captain Drives: 08/e93/m3 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: toronto Posts: 929 iTrader: (0)	I think it fits in between (quite nicely I might add) M-cars and an F430, performance and price wise.... In canada M-cars range from $70-115K (depending on model/options) Audi R8 $140-$180K (depending on V8 vs V10 and options) Ferrari F430 $230K-$300K+ (depending on syder or not and options)

03-27-2009, 01:50 AM	#8
JetBlack5OC Captain Drives: E60 Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Arizona Posts: 755 iTrader: (0)	That R8 V10 sounds AMAZING!!!!!!! Honestly there isn't a BMW I would rather have over a R8 V8. So this thing is top shelf. Plus like someone said above, Audi current fit and finish is just superb.

03-27-2009, 09:58 PM	#11
yemenmocha Private First Class Drives: 06 M3 ZCP TiAg 6MT Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Phoenix Posts: 136 iTrader: (0)	Come on guys, M3>R8.

03-27-2009, 10:45 PM	#12
mixja Captain Drives: E90 DCT Moonstone - March 2009 Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Auckland, NZ Posts: 766 iTrader: (0)	M3 > R8 but only because the R8 is so expensive for what you get. For the price of an R8, I would expect the R8 V10... I'll bet the R8 V10 will beat many supercars around the track...

03-28-2009, 01:49 PM	#14
GnokGnik Captain Drives: E92 335i, 997 C2S Join Date: May 2008 Location: SoCal Posts: 747 iTrader: (0)	How is this not stepping on the Lamborghini Gallardo's toes? VW is introducing cars in a segment that they (as well as Porsche) are very comfortable at. I predict that the V10 R8, like the V8 R8, is going to be a great, manageable super car. Not really competitive with the Scuderia, LP560-4, or even GT2 in performance, but probably much easier to live with.

03-28-2009, 03:03 PM	#16
footie Commander-in-Chief Drives: ???????????? Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: In a house near you Posts: 7,021 iTrader: (0) View footie's Garage	I predict that the R8 v10 will probably be one of the best supercars on our time. Every tester who has had the pleasure of comparing it to any of it's rivals marvel at it ability to be totally at ease near or on the limit, and it progression into oversteer is smoother and more predictable than all others. It may not ultimately be the quickest but is that really that important, surely enjoyment at being able to drive it near the limit without crapping yourself everything is the only thing that should matters. __________________ *2011 ???s??e ???e???* 2010 Audi S4Avant 2009 Golf GTI Mk6

03-29-2009, 03:21 AM	#17
Nikkahtropolis Automotive Design Whore Drives: '08 E92 335i Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: St. Pete, FL Posts: 10,294 iTrader: (0)	LP560-4 > R8 V10 > F430 Scud > GT2 > R8 4.2 > ZR1 > GTR > All M's can't compare the R8 or any supercar to M cars. they're all compromises to begin with. __________________ E92 335i: Space Grey/Coral Red/Aluminum Trim: JB\|VMR V710s\|M-Sport Rear Bumper & Rockers\|M3 Spoiler\|Golf-T